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MediocrityInAction
January 8, 2005, 03:43 PM
In a Google search of my username, I came across this statement I'ds posted to a random website and then concurrently forgotten about some time ago. What do people think about it, and resultantly, what kind of atheist am I?
V# re: Reasons to reject Christianity
MediocrityInAction
I found this link by way of ChristianForums, and as such do not know the context I'm posting into. But nevertheless, I think I'll take the oportunity to state the reasons I cannot accept Christianity.
To tell the truth, it all boils down to Original Sin. Unlike the majority of atheists, my worldview totally accepts the concept of Original Sin. I see Humanity as being essentially flawed. We are a base, depraved race. We are incapable of intrinsic happiness due to our essentially flawed nature. We cannot achieve perfection because our very makeup rebels against it. We are essentially a flawed race, and as such, our achievements, no matter how far-reaching or profound, are nothing compared to the perfection we could theoretically achieve.
When I think of it, I could have split two ways. I could have clung to the beneficial elements of Human nature and accepted the Christian ideal of Salvation. In one way, I'm a prime example of the kind of person likely to accept the salvation of God as a solution to the essential imperfection of Human existence (it is here that I set myself apart from the much-lauded Humanist movement much associated with mainstream atheism. I don't accept that humanity has any internal redeeming value which negates the need for external redemption.). The problem is that I don't see any reason why Humanity deserves any kind of superior redemption. I see Humanity as surviving on its own flaws and merits, and essentially being doomed in the grand scale of things. We have no internal or external merit, and hence we are nothing, and will amount to nothing. There is no grand scheme, and we attribute individually nothing to it.
For me, the lifo of an atheist is essentially meaningless. I essentially have the whole connotations of Origional Sin without the Christian possibility of external redemption available to Christians. That is what I have been forced to learn to live with.
My name is Thomas Cooper, and I have no hope. That is what I live with, and the only thing I can live with. I hope this testimony brings you some understanding of my perspective.

[edit: admittedly, it is a bit melodramatic, but I was in a rather unique frame of mind at the time.

NearNihil Experience
January 9, 2005, 12:15 AM
---Insert rant here---



:notworthy I liked it.

Yes siree, we are fucked with a stick no matter what we do or believe.

Corona688
January 9, 2005, 03:13 PM
But without an invisible sky daddy threatening to send us all to hell for the crime of being what he created, is imperfection really so bad?

MediocrityInAction
January 9, 2005, 03:28 PM
But without an invisible sky daddy threatening to send us all to hell for the crime of being what he created, is imperfection really so bad?
Beyond a neccessity to realise that we all contain imperfections, no, not at all.

Ape31
January 10, 2005, 06:30 AM
You can have a perfect circle. But only in theory, never in reality.

You can have a perfectly straight line. But only in theory, never in reality.

In fact I can't think of a single thing that is perfect in real life. And even if there was, so what? This whole idea and hangup with perfection is something I find strange and can only think it is just one of the many peculiarities found in religious thinking.

Ape31

PinkPanther_04
January 10, 2005, 10:17 AM
Like Ape said, I don't think the idea of perfection has any validity in the real world. Why would we need to be "perfect" and what would that even entail? We're animals. No better or worse, morally speaking, than any other animal, really. I think most of the time when one person willfully hurts another it's because we're so intelligent as a species that it's easy for our minds to develop flaws (mental illness) that species with less highly developed brains would not. Aside from that propensity for haywire thinking, we're just as good or bad as any other species.

Your philosophy goes much further than atheism. Since atheism is only a lack of belief in a god, anything beyond that is your philosophical position, not your "kind of atheism." Sounds like fatalism to me, but then I'm not a philosophy major or anything.