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RonPrice
January 11, 2005, 06:17 AM
Apologetics is a branch of systematic theology, although some experience it’s thrust in religious studies or philosophy of religion courses. Some encounter it on the internet for the first time in a more populist and usually much less academic form. As I see it, apologetics is primarily concerned with the protection of a religious position, the refutation of that position's assailants and, in the larger sense, the exploration of that position in the context of prevailing philosophies and standards in a secular society. Apologetics, to put it slightly differently, is concerned with answering critical inquiries, criticism of a position, in a rational manner. Apologetics is not possible, it seems to me anyway, without a commitment to and a desire to defend a position. For me, the core of my position I could express in one phrase: the Baha'i Revelation. With that said, though, the activity I engage in, namely, apologetics, is a never ending exercise.

The apologetics that concerns me is not so much Christian apologetics but Baha'i apologetics. There are many points of comparison and contrast, though, which I won't go into here. Christians will have the opportunity to defend Christianity by the use of apologetics. And I will in turn defend the Baha'i Faith by the use of apologetics. In the process we will both, hopefully, learn something about our respective Faiths, our religions, which we hold to our hearts dearly.

At the outset, then, in this my first posting, my intention is simply to make this start, to state what you might call "my apologetics position." This brief statement indicates, in broad outline, where I am coming from in the weeks and months ahead. -Ron Price with thanks to Udo Schaefer, "Baha'i Apologetics?" Baha'i Studies Review, Vol. 10, 2001/2002.
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I want in this second part of this first posting to finish, as best I can, outlining a basic orientation to Baha’i apologetics. Critical scholarly contributions or criticism raised in public or private discussions, an obvious part of apologetics, should not necessarily be equated with hostility. Often questions are perfectly legitimate aspects of a person's search for an answer to an intellectual conundrum. Paul Tillich once expressed the view that apologetics was an "answering theology."(Systematic Theology, U. of Chicago, 1967, Vol.1, p6.)

I have always been attracted to the founder of the Baha'i Faith's exhortations in discussion to "speak with words as mild as milk," with "the utmost lenience and forebearance." I am also aware that, in cases of rude or hostile attack, rebuttal with a harsher tone may well be justified. It does not help an apologist to belong to those "watchmen" the prophet Isaiah calls "dumb dogs that cannot bark."(Isaiah, 56:10)

In its essence apologetics is a kind of confrontation, an act of revealing one's true colours, of hoisting the flag, of demonstrating essential characteristics of faith. Dialogue, as Hans Kung puts it, "does not mean self-denial."(quoted by Udo Schaefer, "Baha'i Apologetics," Baha'i Studies Review, Vol.10, 2001/2) Schaefer goes on: "A faith that is opportunistically streamlined, adapting to current trends, thus concealing its real features, features that could provoke rejection in order to be acceptable for dialogue is in danger of losing its identity."

It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without getting someone's beard singed. In the weeks that follow, my postings will probably wind up singing the beards of some readers and, perhaps, in the process my own intellectual beard will get singed. Such are the perils of dialogue, of apologetics. Much of Baha'i apologetics derives from the experience Baha'is have of a fundamental discrepancy between secular thought and the Baha'i revelation on the other. In some ways, the gulf is unbridegeable but, so too, is this the case between the secular and much thought in the Christian revelation. That is why, or at least one of the reasons, I have chosen to make postings at this 'Formal Debates' site at Internet Infidels.

Anyway, that's all for now. It's back to the summer winds of Tasmania, about 3 kms from the Bass Straight on the Tamar River. The geography of place is so much simpler than that of the spiritual geography readers at this site are concerned with, although I am aware that whom the gods would destroy they first make simple and simpler and simpler. I look forward to a dialogue with someone. Here in far-off Tasmania--the last stop before Antarctica, if one wants to get there through some other route than off the end of South America--your email will be gratefully received. Just ask a question, make a comment in response to the above and I will respond. Such is the beginning point of our apologetics.-Ron Price, Tasmania. :wave:



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I am a Canadian who has been living in Australia for 33 years. I am married to a Tasmanian and have been for 30 years after 8 years in a first marriage. We have three children aged 38, 33 and 26. I am retired and at 60 spend most of my time writing, reading and a quieter life of retirement.

Vorkosigan
January 11, 2005, 08:41 AM
:confused: Are you aware that this is a forum for atheists, freethinkers, and agnostics? If you want to debate a Christian, we would be happy to point you to a Christian forum.

KnightWhoSaysNi
January 11, 2005, 08:58 AM
:confused: Are you aware that this is a forum for atheists, freethinkers, and agnostics? If you want to debate a Christian, we would be happy to point you to a Christian forum.

I don't really have a problem with allowing varieties of "theist vs. theist" debates. I recall when seebs and Badfish were discussing possibilities of a "liberal vs. conservative" Christian debate.

"Theist vs. Theist" informal debating on various theological issues occur frequently in the GRD forum. I don't really see a problem allowing that here in the Formal Debates as well. Besides, many atheists and agnostics who find comparative religion interesting would likely find this debate interesting.

- FD, Moderator

KnightWhoSaysNi
January 11, 2005, 09:08 AM
RonPrice,

Given that you're new here, I would recommend that you take some time to debate your views informally, perhaps in GRD (General Religious Discussions) first for a while. It will give a sense of what arguments you can expect. Many people also prefer to get to know someone first a little before engaging in formal debates with them right away.

I'd also recommend reading carefully through FD Rules and Procedures (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=85870).

- NS, FD Moderator

Vorkosigan
January 11, 2005, 04:49 PM
I don't really have a problem with allowing varieties of "theist vs. theist" debates. I recall when seebs and Badfish were discussing possibilities of a "liberal vs. conservative" Christian debate.

- FD, Moderator

I don't have a problem with it, either. The issue is that our supply of Christians is rather low, whereas at TWeb or ChristianForums, or XnForums, or CARM, he'd find an endless supply of partners.

KnightWhoSaysNi
July 22, 2005, 10:54 AM
Welcome back Ron,

You're welcome to discuss your religious views, but the FDP forum is intended for setting up formal debates. I'm going to send your post along with Vinnie's to GRD (General Religious Discussions):

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=131306

- NS, FD Moderator