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Toto
January 12, 2005, 03:56 PM
President outlines role of his faith (http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050111-101004-3771r.htm)

Mr. Bush told editors and reporters of The Washington Times yesterday in an interview in the Oval Office that many in the public misunderstand the role of faith in his life and his view of the proper relationship between religion and the government.

"I think people attack me because they are fearful that I will then say that you're not equally as patriotic if you're not a religious person," Mr. Bush said. "I've never said that. I've never acted like that. I think that's just the way it is.

He thinks what is just the way it is - that you are not in fact patriotic if you are not religious?

"I fully understand that the job of the president is and must always be protecting the great right of people to worship or not worship as they see fit," Mr. Bush said. "That's what distinguishes us from the Taliban. The greatest freedom we have or one of the greatest freedoms is the right to worship the way you see fit.

"On the other hand, I don't see how you can be president at least from my perspective, how you can be president, without a relationship with the Lord," he said.

Bush is not stupid, and he has learned the right thing to say about freedom of and from religion. But one wishes that the Lord had given him better advice about invading other countries.

However, Mr. Bush said that unlike many Christians, he does not think that faith is under attack by culture at large and points to the "backlash" against attempts to further secularize the public square as proof.

"The great thing about our country is somebody can stand up and say, 'We should try to take "under God" out of the Pledge of Allegiance,'" Mr. Bush said. "On the other hand, the backlash was pretty darn significant.

Indeed, a backlash that was carefully nurtured and fanned by Republican operatives.

"But the key thing is, is that we do have the capacity to allow faith programs to access enormous sums of social service money, which I think is important."

Which I think is the main point. Follow the money.

openeyes
January 12, 2005, 04:18 PM
"On the other hand, I don't see how you can be president at least from my perspective, how you can be president, without a relationship with the Lord," he said. At least for his style of the presidency, for without constant praying to the Lord, how else can you successfully block out reality from your consciousness?

Typical Bush. Talking disjointedly, saying everything, thereby saying nothing.

Except did he really say "enormous" sums of money? You'd think he wouldn't want to emphasize that. :confused:

Styrofoam
January 12, 2005, 09:21 PM
Well, my respect for Bush has gone up, albeit not much. "The great thing about our country is somebody can stand up and say, 'We should try to take "under God" out of the Pledge of Allegiance,'" Mr. Bush said. At least he understands the freedom of speech, however much he depends on his faith.

socratoad
January 12, 2005, 10:03 PM
Well, my respect for Bush has gone up, albeit not much. "The great thing about our country is somebody can stand up and say, 'We should try to take "under God" out of the Pledge of Allegiance,'" Mr. Bush said. At least he understands the freedom of speech, however much he depends on his faith.

And why would you respect go up one scintilla? This guy lacks the capacity to be sincere about anything IMO. If he said it was a nice day I would have to stick my head out of a window and check for myself.

RawData
January 13, 2005, 12:24 PM
IIRC, the Bush Admin put in an amicus brief against Newdow themselves.
"Backlash" was from them, and immediate. They didn't wait for anyone else to do it (although there were many more).
RD

Dark Knight Bob
January 13, 2005, 02:21 PM
Well, my respect for Bush has gone up, albeit not much. "The great thing about our country is somebody can stand up and say, 'We should try to take "under God" out of the Pledge of Allegiance,'" Mr. Bush said. At least he understands the freedom of speech, however much he depends on his faith.

Until one of his advisors leans over and whispers in his ear explainng what he's just said

"I mean bad thing about this country... BAD thing... oh me and my bushisms... DOH!"

PatrickHays
January 14, 2005, 01:40 AM
Quote . . . But the key thing is, is that we do have the capacity to allow faith programs to access enormous sums of social service money, which I think is important.

To me this is simple "taxation without representation." Public funds given to religious organizations to use at their discretion without the publics involvement. Not to mention how I feel about the first amendment violation.

Corwin
January 14, 2005, 02:18 AM
To me this is simple "taxation without representation." Public funds given to religious organizations to use at their discretion without the publics involvement. Not to mention how I feel about the first amendment violation.

Actually, since these are religious orgs.... it's more 'representation without taxation' which seems even worse, in some ways.

scombrid
January 14, 2005, 11:03 PM
"On the other hand, I don't see how you can be president at least from my perspective, how you can be president, without a relationship with the Lord," he said.

That gibberish seems to have a "Divine Right of Kings" type of feel to it. He just can't be wrong if he gets his marching orders direct from god.

Godless Wonder
January 14, 2005, 11:19 PM
Barbara Walters interviewed GWB about this tonight and asked him specifically about this within the first few minutes of the interview. I don't have his exact words, but as I recall, he seemed to explicitly say that he didn't think that a person without faith couldn't be president.

(Whether what he was saying was really what he thought, or whether he was just doing damage control is another question. He also said that he needed to be more disciplined in what he said regarding comments like "Bring it on!" etc. that he'd made in the past, so perhaps this statement was just him being "disciplined" about what he said. I personally can't bring myself trust the guy on this topic.)