PDA

View Full Version : Response to "Atheists Don't Exist" and "Atheism Requires Omniscience".


Vinnie
January 14, 2005, 02:02 PM
I'm working from the ground up with articles for my site :thumbs:

http://www.after-hourz.net/writings/atheistrebuttal2.html

Vinnie

Skeptic Pete
January 14, 2005, 10:34 PM
Most excellent Vinnie.

Well done, I look forward to reading some more when you have them.

Skeptic Pete
January 14, 2005, 10:41 PM
Just found their "Questions for Skeptics" page.

44 questions.........where to start!

Vinnie
January 14, 2005, 10:54 PM
Link?

Vinnie

Skeptic Pete
January 14, 2005, 10:59 PM
questions for skeptics (http://christiananswers.net/q-aiia/questions-for-skeptics.html)

I'm starting work on a rebuttal to these questions myself.


This is an example of a "hard" question for skeptics...........

"If all of Jesus' claims to be God were the result of His own self-delusion, why didn't He evidence lunacy in any other areas of His life?"

Skeptic Pete
January 14, 2005, 11:02 PM
Sorry Vinnie but I was wrong.

They aren't questions for skeptics at all.
They are questions for the "Not-Yet-a-Believer"

Cute eh?

Vinnie
January 14, 2005, 11:03 PM
:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

oh yes...my next project.....i'm gonna pimp-slap that.... :thumbs:

should be done sunday night to monday morning....

gotta work a double tomorrow or I'd do it then ;)

Vinnie

Dhaeron
January 14, 2005, 11:51 PM
Ho wow, i read a few of those. Just skimming through these was like "oh argumentum ad populum, yep another, and another, oh false assertion for a change etc, rinse and repeat."
Those aren't questions at all, they are just intended to let fundies feel good about being fundy.

Lucretius
January 15, 2005, 10:17 AM
It is said that Mussolini (the Italian dictator), once stood on a pinnacle and cried, "God, if you are there, strike me dead!" When God didn't immediately bow to his dictates, Mussolini then concluded that there was no God. However, his prayer was answered some time later.
This I did like so God not only has bad aim if he wanted to kill the Swedes in the latest tsunami ,as some of these idiots think ,God it appears does not know that Swedes live in Sweden
But also God's sense of time is a bit off Mussolini asks to be struck down dead and after a delay ,how long a delay I note isnt mentioned , God actually gets round to doing it :)
Perhaps I am being cruel and God just had a busy diary at the time :)

Unaffiliated
January 15, 2005, 11:00 AM
:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

oh yes...my next project.....i'm gonna pimp-slap that.... :thumbs:

should be done sunday night to monday morning....

gotta work a double tomorrow or I'd do it then ;)

Vinnie

I took the time a couple years ago to do that, and posted them here (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=24422) Feel free to reuse or modify any to save yourself some time.

I even got a lame ass response of "you seem very comfortable in your beliefs yada yada yada"

Family Man
January 15, 2005, 12:58 PM
44. What would be required to persuade you to become a believer?


A lot better questions than the idiotic ones posted on this site.

Skeptic Pete
January 15, 2005, 06:25 PM
A lot better questions than the idiotic ones posted on this site.
I have already started on my rebuttal and I went straight to the last question and answered exactly the same thing!

Vinnie
January 15, 2005, 10:01 PM
I took the time a couple years ago to do that, and posted them here (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=24422) Feel free to reuse or modify any to save yourself some time.

I even got a lame ass response of "you seem very comfortable in your beliefs yada yada yada"

Thx for the offer. I'll check it out :)

AdamZ
January 16, 2005, 02:53 PM
Another rebuttal against the "gold in china" argument I liked is in this thread (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=104437#post1948843)

...
Another thing: the Judeo-Christian god is supposedly omnipresent. If this is the case, then we should be able to find him in this 1% without bothering about the other 99%. Kinda like if China was made of gold; you could look in a fraction of China to detect the presence of gold in China, and wouldn't have to examine 100% of it to make that determination.

I've examined my tiny fraction of that 1%, and have detected nothing which could be called "god".

Vinnie
January 16, 2005, 09:53 PM
Excellent. I modified that and added it in:

After writing this I was alerted to another problem with the "gold in China argument". Under most definitions of God we have the doctrine of omnipresence. Therefore, the analogy says that not only is there gold in China, there is gold in every part of China (meaning China is made of gold!). If God is omnipresent, despite the fact that we can observe only say 1% of the world, that 1% of the world should still reflect evidence for an omnipresent God.

Corwin
January 16, 2005, 10:04 PM
"If all of Jesus' claims to be God were the result of His own self-delusion, why didn't He evidence lunacy in any other areas of His life?"

Yeah.... because charging into a public place and attacking people who are doing business there is just soooooo rational..... :rolleyes:

Skeptic Pete
January 17, 2005, 02:51 AM
This is my first draft for a rebuttal to christiananswers.net "Questions for not-yet-believers"

If anyone has the time to read some of it and any comments would be appreciated.

christian excuses (http://www.petespuzzles.com/christianexcuses/)