Maybe I can freeze this topic a little.

[Chili]

I live in Alberta where it is 30 below right now and as I look outside I don't see much evolution going on. In fact, if it would stay like this for a million years things will look exactly the same then as they do now.

The point is that evolution needs a cause, a prime mover, shall we say, for I do not think that it is a self propelled entity such as creation that can be sterilized and/or frozen to be passivated . . . or left on its own to be the effective cause of evolution.

Does that make sense?

[Chili]

Sorry mods, this was meant to be a reply. You may delete if you wish.

[Gliptic]

EDIT: Blah, I should have looked closer

[Ierrellus]

Makes sense to me. But if you mention evolution, you'll probably be evoluted to another forum. Nobody wants to figure out what happened a second before the big bang. Aristotle's unmoved mover doesn't move many. For me, it is as irrational for a scientist to believe something came from nothing as it is for a fundy to believe it all came from a god.

Fortuity in eons of evolution somehow does not jive with the stark human need to believe in purpose. Sorry you are frozen in Canada. Your sense of purpose might get you a warmer existence.

Maybe I completely misread you. It's freezing here in Ohio!

[Howard]

I live in Alberta where it is 30 below right now... Anyone who willfully lives where it is 30 below is devolving.

[Weltall]

Another argument from personal incredulity/fricking cold weather? Hmmm, maybe there's a connection there...

[Chili]

Fortuity in eons of evolution somehow does not jive with the stark human need to believe in purpose. Sorry you are frozen in Canada. Your sense of purpose might get you a warmer existence.

Maybe I completely misread you. It's freezing here in Ohio!

No you didn't misread me but let me suggest that indeed life is without purpose until we find a purpose in life . . . which really means that "to be 'is' not to be." The problem is that while we are torn between "to be or not to be" we still 'are,' regardless of who we think we are, and through thick or thin will pave the way for the next generation to come about . . . which will be after our own image wherein we perceived what we saw and that is how change comes about. Call it God or call it not God, either way, but that which is referred to as God still is the effective force that brings change about.

[seven8s]

No you didn't misread me but let me suggest that indeed life is without purpose until we find a purpose in life . . .

Might I suggest that life "is" purpose, and as such cannot be turned off, but is always shall we say, "on"?


which really means that "to be 'is' not to be." The problem is that while we are torn between "to be or not to be" we still 'are,' regardless of who we think we are, and through thick or thin will pave the way for the next generation to come about . . .

Exactely! Need I say more..................................perhaps how one lives life is on or off, not purpose but design (ignorance, which only means to ignore).

which will be after our own image wherein we perceived what we saw and that is how change comes about. Call it God or call it not God, either way,

Or not.

Did you mean God or Lord God? Is there a difference between the two? For good or bad? But what kind of change? Re-generation.

but that which is referred to as God still is the effective force that brings change about.


Intresting definition of god in Old English.................... good! And "feer" means fear, but is an anagram of free. Which brings me to "that which is referred to as God", an anagram of dog and I'm sure you know the symbolism of dog, faithful. Perhaps then, god then is the only efective force towards change...................

Just some thoughts..............

[Chili]

Intresting definition of god in Old English.................... good! And "feer" means fear, but is an anagram of free. Which brings me to "that which is referred to as God", an anagram of dog and I'm sure you know the symbolism of dog, faithful. Perhaps then, god then is the only efective force towards change...................

Just some thoughts..............

Nice and very nice. For sure, you are not stuck on words or the meaning of words because you understand the true meaning of words.

I like your addition "Might I suggest that life "is" purpose, and as such cannot be turned off, but is always shall we say, "on"? . . . to which I will add that this is true and we are just along for the ride whether we realize this or not.
On second thought, this may be a bit of stretch but is a point Plato made in his Meno, I think, where virtue cannot be taught and is why Jesus talked about predestination.

I like to think that we 'think' while we are 'along for the ride' and can't help but learn to 'hang on tight when the going gets tough.' This, I think is where Plato failed in his analogy, for in the end, we are in charge of God whether 'he' likes it or not. After all, if a Freeman is in charge of his own destiny as God, a free man, though he may be a just a pretender, is in the driver's seat just as well. So here I say: Love you guys and gals and I'd say "give'r and give'r all you've got for life is like a song to sing."

It is God for he is the creator. God is conscious mind personified with Jerusalem and therefore the New Jerusalem is the mind of the Freeman with a capital F (notice that Jesus stayed in Jerusalem on his own to 'clean house' there).

Where have you been seven8s and how have you been? Of course I don' t come here very much. I am either in the upper level or rolled into the basement still :rolling: .

[seven8s]

Nice and very nice. For sure, you are not stuck on words or the meaning of words because you understand the true meaning of words.
Love words!
The true meaning of words are often difficult to obtain because they can change from one day to the next. I suspect that translators are often lazy, they allow a standard dictionary do their work for them. We have become like them. I like to seek the essence behind the word. What was the author trying to convey. One must be patient, willing to be open, and lucky. Things just fall in the lap......................

I like your addition "Might I suggest that life "is" purpose, and as such cannot be turned off, but is always shall we say, "on"? . . . to which I will add that this is true and we are just along for the ride whether we realize this or not.

When we look around we can determine, safely and accurately, that it cannot be anything else but purpose, on purpose.
And.................
Yes, but we can get off any time we want, we just gotta know how................mankind does not have free will, he has free choice. Because.............................the ride is a result of the fall of mankind which I suggest is............Falle: Old English, Consent.

On second thought, this may be a bit of stretch but is a point Plato made in his Meno, I think, where virtue cannot be taught and is why Jesus talked about predestination.

I would say that, it is not that virtue cannot be taught, but that virtue does not have to be taught, it is instinctive (predestination)! And that’s why Jesus talked about it, having exhausted it all himself, of course.

I like to think that we 'think' while we are 'along for the ride' and can't help but learn to 'hang on tight when the going gets tough.'

Think or react? Hang on? Why not just let go........................sometimes it’s a pretty shitty ride. Attachment to the outcome is what fears us because what we have forgotten, and have not been corrctly instructed, is that the outcome is predetermined, good. Now that’s thinking, I think.

This, I think is where Plato failed in his analogy, for in the end, we are in charge of God whether 'he' likes it or not.

Like the “he�. It’s singular, non-dualistic, undivided, truth. Don’t even care if it’s male or female, plant or animal, or any other dualistic terminology. It’s all the same, good. Wasn’t that supposed to be the purpose of Judaism, monotheism. And do the early English Christian writers correct the myth when they utilize the word God?

I would agree that we are in charge of god/good, capitalized or not. I am sorry we don’t use it more often. I think the mistake we make in interpreting the bible is the “image� part. I’m not so sure that the ancients got it right concerning that image, but I sure do think the English did.

After all, if a Freeman is in charge of his own destiny as God, a free man, though he may be a just a pretender, is in the driver's seat just as well.

Exactely! I would add...................thank God for predestination!

It is God for he is the creator. God is conscious mind personified with Jerusalem and therefore the New Jerusalem is the mind of the Freeman with a capital F (notice that Jesus stayed in Jerusalem on his own to 'clean house' there).

Hmm, had left over business to do, huh? Would I be correct in proposing that according to Acts, he (Joseph) was quite a busy fellow.

I would only add, “in, through, and out of Jerusalem.....................into New Jerusalem. Mankind doesn’t hijack old religions, they simply re-define them; cherry pick if that makes better sense. As long as that cherry picking serves the betterment of mankind I say go for it we have a long way to go.

Where have you been seven8s and how have you been? Of course I don' t come here very much. I am either in the upper level or rolled into the basement still

Yep! Been to the basement a few times myself............do my best thinking there.......................but also been to Florida (4 weeks). At 30 degrees below I would suggest the same for you. God lives there too you know. As a matter of fact He’s down there quite a lot this time of year. And what do you think I did there........................................all those miles of beaches, I’ll let you guess. Really upper level stuff.

Missed ya!

[Chili]

Love words!

When we look around we can determine, safely and accurately, that it cannot be anything else but purpose, on purpose.

I wrote a poem once on the purpose of life in view of to "to be or not to be." It was a real tong twister around the word "purpose," I remember, wherein I concluded that to be of purpose is the wrong purpose and decided to let it be while I am not and therefore I am (to contradict "I think therefore I am").

Yep! Been to the basement a few times myself............do my best thinking there.......................but also been to Florida (4 weeks). At 30 degrees below I would suggest the same for you.

Missed ya!

Good idea, but 4 weeks? I/we have been to Florida and liked it there. The best thing I remember was gala dinner at the captains table and the worst thing is that I got in trouble there. So, yes, I have been there.