Dinosaurs, humans, and Peruvian burial stones.

[Cius]

Qualifying this post: I did a search of the forums for "man dinosaur living together", "peruvian burial stones dinosaurs", and several permutations thereof without finding anything of value to my question. That is why I started this thread.

The Meat:

Omniology stones (http://www.omniology.com/IcaPeruDinoArt.html)
Yet more stones, but this time at another site. (http://www.bible.ca/tracks/peru-tomb-art.htm)
Yes, I know they're all creationist sites, but I still think its a valid question. (http://www.creationists.org/dinos_artifacts_and_art.html)
And god spake and he said, thou shalt link no more lest you waste more of these people's precious time, and I did not listen. (http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm)

OKay, a guy I work with brougth these up. So, in the interest of good relations, conversation material, and my knowledge of the truth in general, I decided to give the 'ole 'net a looksee for anything I could find. (Note: all links found by googling "peruvian burial stones dinosaurs", and there are many more, those are the first four or so that come up)

Quick synopsis from what I've read thus far:

A Dr. Cabrera owns these stones (lives in peru) and his collection is said to be large. His father collected them before him and apparently the scientific community scoffs at them. Yet, they are held up as proof that dinosaurs did not die off 65 million years ago, but that they lived only a few thousand years ago with modern humans.

I'm wondering if anyone else has heard of these and whether or not there is anything to them. I can't seem to find a scientific analysis of them, no commentary, off-handed remarks, nothing. If anyone knows anything, I would greatly appreciate your sharing the knowledge.

[Mageth]

As for Dr. Cabrera's stones, the following (Christian) site addresses them pretty well:

http://www.geocities.com/athens/agora/3958/weekly/weekly56.htm

Christians must recognize that the Ica Stone evidence for what it is -- doubtful and worthy of rejection wholesale. Don Patton's acceptance of these evidences is sufficient to cast doubt upon his reliability as a teacher. He has displayed questionable scholarship and judgment and is for that reason worthy of skeptical investigation. Christians should seek out scholarly evaluations of all of his evidence and arguments before either accepting them provisionally or rejecting them.

Another site:

http://kjmatthews.users.btopenworld.com/cult_archaeology/out_of_place_artefacts_4.html

[GreyGhost]

I remember reading about this some years back. I do remember that the pottery was fake. It was done in modern times to sell to tourists. I can't remember where I read this though. The only information that I can find about it are on creationist or new age type sites. If dinosaurs were alive into historic times scientists and the general public would definately want to know about it. The claims of a massive conspiracy is just a usual creationist tactic. If I find anything else I'll let you know.

And if dinosaurs did survive in isolated pockets into historic times, it wouldn't cause evolutionary theory to be tossed out.

[Dorje]

They're called Ica stones. And they're fake. Very fake:

http://skepdic.com/icastones.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ica_stones
http://www.csicop.org/si/2002-09/strange-world.html

[RBH]

Skeptical Inquirer article (http://www.csicop.org/si/2002-09/strange-world.html).

RBH

[GreyGhost]

The links posted by Mageth and Dorje are what I was looking for. Yes, the stones are definately fake.

[Cius]

Thank you for the thorough and prompt reply. I had no doubt the stones were fake, but I'd never heard of them before this and I'm not the type that likes to say "uh-uh, you're wrong" without being able to provide a nice pamphlet of references to weight it down with.

Much appreciated.

[Varecia]

Provenance, provenance, provenance! There appears to be little but a couple vague anecdotes to support any provenance for these objects. The thing to remember when hearing claims for the co-existence of humans and dinosaurs is that we find absolutely virtually no material culture consisting of dinosaur remains in human archaeological sites. They made use of a variety of other animals they came into contact with, so one would expect the same if dinosaurs were anywhere around.