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Hyndis
August 7, 2005, 09:04 PM
While the debate over evolution vs. ``intelligent design'' in science classes rages among educators and school boards in places like Kansas and Texas, the topic is slowly gaining steam in churches and on college campuses in the Bay Area.

At a weeklong conference in May at Stanford University and at a seminar last month hosted by several South Bay churches and attended by hundreds, intelligent design has mobilized advocates on both sides -- those who believe the universe and everything in it bear the marks of a higher being, and those who believe that fossils and other scientific evidence support the theory first posed by Charles Darwin -- that living things on earth evolved naturally from other forms.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/12324516.htm

Aparently Behe was here as well. What the hell is going on here? We're as liberal as Canadians here. I thought we were one of the more sane parts of the country. :(


On the Mercury News website they've got a small discussion board area. While its too small of a sample to be significant, its 88% against ID, and ID is being shredded in the discussion there. But then, it could just be rather annoyed people like my wanting to comment on that story, so the sample would be rather biased.


And just one more edit...
http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html

That's the group thats leading this whole ID mess thing. At least they admit what they're doing on their website.

Nightson
August 7, 2005, 09:46 PM
Nooo!! I thought we we're safe here.... That's it, I'm going on a crusade at my conservative Christian school, in two years time not a person there will not have accepted evolution. Time to get the fliers printing....

laughing dog
August 7, 2005, 09:50 PM
I thought we were one of the more sane parts of the country. .
You're in California and can write that with a straight face? :) It must really hurt to be behind the curve on this trend.
Seriously, you have my deepest sympathies.

Hyndis
August 7, 2005, 09:52 PM
You're in California and can write that with a straight face? :) It must really hurt to be behind the curve on this trend.
Seriously, you have my deepest sympathies.

The coastline is very blue, but the interior of the state tends to be rather red. But because most of the population is on the coastline, we end up being a blue state.

But this is the place that tried to legalize both gay marriage and marijuana, much to the annoyance of our imperial overlords. ;)

someotherguy
August 7, 2005, 10:36 PM
And just one more edit...
http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html
That's the group thats leading this whole ID mess thing. At least they admit what they're doing on their website.

Just a nitpick: Antioevolution.org is actually a pro-evolution website. The "Wedge" document is from the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture (fka the Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture), but it was leaked, not released intentionally. I'm not sure if they've officially admitted that it's genuine or not. I think they have, but I'm not positive. They certainly haven't denied its authenticity.

One can't help but be cynical about the whole thing when hearing Dembski claim that the Designer *could* be aliens, after reading that.

RBH
August 7, 2005, 11:27 PM
I want to emphasize someotherguy's remark: Antievolution.org is run by Wes Elsberry, one of the staunchest anti-creationist and anti-ID stalwarts. Wes now works for NCSE (http://www.ncseweb.org). He posted the Wedge document as a public resource on the genuine aims of the ID movement.

RBH

Scorpion
August 8, 2005, 12:21 AM
The "Wedge" document is from the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture (fka the Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture), but it was leaked, not released intentionally. I'm not sure if they've officially admitted that it's genuine or not. I think they have, but I'm not positive. They certainly haven't denied its authenticity.


I asked about this on some thread a while ago and got this (http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?id=349) as an answer... so yes, I think that's as official as it gets.

-S-

someotherguy
August 8, 2005, 01:31 AM
I asked about this on some thread a while ago and got this (http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?id=349) as an answer... so yes, I think that's as official as it gets.

-S-

Thanks for the info! :thumbs:

Hyndis
August 8, 2005, 03:55 AM
My bad. I was following a linky from another article on this subject. Aparently it was just to the wedge issue document, but the host doesn't support the ID movement.

Doubting Didymus
August 8, 2005, 04:43 AM
Why is a pro-evolution website called antievolution.org?

Richard Forrest
August 8, 2005, 04:58 AM
Why is a pro-evolution website called antievolution.org?

Cryptic colouration?

Richard Forrest

someotherguy
August 8, 2005, 11:28 AM
Why is a pro-evolution website called antievolution.org?

I believe the most straightforward answer is because the website is a resource on the anti-evolution movement. Or something.

ninewands
August 8, 2005, 01:20 PM
Why is a pro-evolution website called antievolution.org?
I dunno ... could it be to deny ownership of the antievolution.org URL to the "Dark Side"?