Newton Anderson's Bell?

[cgordon]

Anybody know if this has been debunked or otherwise critically examined?

http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/bell/bell.htm

It came up in another forum about evolution.

Mods, if this thread belongs elsewhere, please feel free to move it.

cg

[Peez]

cgordon:
Anybody know if this has been debunked or otherwise critically examined?

http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/bell/bell.htm

It came up in another forum about evolution.Hi cgordon,

It looks like a variation on CC131 (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC131.html) (this seems to be the pot mentioned in the page you linked to)

Of course there have been other claimed "out-of-order-artifacts":

Carl Baugh's hammer, about 2/3 the way down this page (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-gc.html).

Coso Artifact (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/coso.html)

The Mysterious Origins of Man: The Mortar and Pestle (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mom/mortar.html)

However, I am unaware of anyone having taken the time to deal with this particular fairy story.

Peez

[Richard Forrest]

Anybody know if this has been debunked or otherwise critically examined?

http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/bell/bell.htm

It came up in another forum about evolution.

Mods, if this thread belongs elsewhere, please feel free to move it.

cg

Does it need to be debunked?

It's purely anecdotal, and self-evident bollocks. There isn't a scrap of evidence to support the story, and I strongly suspect that the assertion that it was tested by the University of Oklahoma either pure fabrication or a gross distortion of actual events. The bell looks as if it was made in the 19th century, by the way. Such rather fanciful figures are not uncommon in brass artefacts of that age. My grandmother owned a small bell not unlike the one shown.

Richard Forrest

[cgordon]

Good info, Peez. Thanks!

Richard, I agree. Nice to post pointers to folks who might be more, um, gullible.

cg

[Per Ahlberg]

The little figure on top of the bell has a distinctly south/south-east Asian look to me - as indeed does the whole bell.

P.

[Graculus]

I'd say a Victorian garden bell, in good condition worth about $30-$50.

similar bell (http://www.steptoesantiques.co.uk/acatalog/antique_bell.jpg)

[Richard Forrest]

I'd say a Victorian garden bell, in good condition worth about $30-$50.

similar bell (http://www.steptoesantiques.co.uk/acatalog/antique_bell.jpg)


Ah yes, but if you say that it was found in a coal seam and that it proves evolution is false, there are plenty of gullible people out there who'll pay 100 times that amount.

There is a lot of evidence to suggest that creationism is little more than a marketting exercise targetted at the ignorant and gullible: just look at Kent Hovind's web site.

Richard Forrest