Naked women seen as worse than bombs

[Newswire]

Militant Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Ba'asyir sees erotic shows on TV as "more dangerous than the Bali bombs".

More... (http://www.thejakartapost.com/yesterdaydetail.asp?fileid=20060921.H08)

[Loren Pechtel]

Doesn't mean much--the bombs are to spread his position, they're a good thing, not a bad thing!

[Rathpig]

Any person that holds nudity as more dangerous than bombs because of their religious dogma has passed beyond the realm of sanity (but I guess that goes without saying).

R.,

[purple_kathryn]

Seriously what is it with religious people seeing sex (ie something that creates and is an affirmation of life) as being worse than violence (something that ends/ruins life). I don't get it! It's seriously fucked up.

[Autonemesis]

Seriously what is it with religious people seeing sex (ie something that creates and is an affirmation of life) as being worse than violence (something that ends/ruins life). I don't get it!

It's the creative power. It's man acting as a god, creating life (of course the man takes the credit in this mindset). One cannot act like a god without the proper gravitas, so sex for fun is forbidden. It isn't godly, because god cannot have fun.

[purple_kathryn]

It's the creative power. It's man acting as a god, creating life (of course the man takes the credit in this mindset). One cannot act like a god without the proper gravitas, so sex for fun is forbidden. It isn't godly, because god cannot have fun.

Well no wonder he's such bastard then! Misery loves company.

[trendkill]

Seriously what is it with religious people seeing sex (ie something that creates and is an affirmation of life) as being worse than violence (something that ends/ruins life).I suspect it's a conservative thing, one that goes back to tribal sexual mores and the urge to control women, bloodlines and the legitimacy of children, clan authority structures, that sort of stuff. Conservatives of all stripes are often anti-sex, even non-religious ones. Even if Mohammed had preached free love, I bet Muslim conservatives today would be anti-sex.

[Terrell]

This is just another way that the Christian Right and the Muslim Fanatics are alike moreso than they are different.

[Rathpig]

This is just another way that the Christian Right and the Muslim Fanatics are alike moreso than they are different.

Same religion: Abrahamism.

Same views: nudity, sex, fun = sin.

Same coin: different sides.

Jews, Christians, and Muslims are more alike than different which creates a certain amount of sibling rivalry. If one looked in the historical literature it is a Cain versus Abel situation with this silly people of the book.

R.,

[River]

If one looked in the historical literature it is a Cain versus Abel situation with this silly people of the book.

R.,

except that Kain (Kabeel) slayed Abel (Habeel) over their sister.......

[George Oilwell]

The only thing naked women are a 'danger' to is loony religions.

[JamesBannon]

The only thing naked women are a 'danger' to is loony religions.

Rather the other way round I think. The Abrahamic idiots are a menace to women everywhere, whether clothed or not.

[George Oilwell]

Rather the other way round I think. The Abrahamic idiots are a menace to women everywhere, whether clothed or not.

I stand corrected.

[Chris Weimer]

except that Kain (Kabeel) slayed Abel (Habeel) over their sister.......

Sister?

And to Rathpig, despite the centuries of Kama Sutra, India and other far eastern places are *very* conservative sexually. It's not just the "people of the book".

[Rathpig]

... It's not just the "people of the book".

Granted, including one version of hyper-silliness doesn't exclude others.

[sknight]

Maybe we can threaten to drop thousands of pages of pornography onto muslim countries if they don't do what we want?

[Loren Pechtel]

Maybe we can threaten to drop thousands of pages of pornography onto muslim countries if they don't do what we want?

Nah, we should simply produce a version of the Naked News in their language and broadcast it.

[Shedinja5000]

Nah, we should simply produce a version of the Naked News in their language and broadcast it.

The problem with that idea? The government of said countries would probably prevent it from being broadcasted, either because of pressure from Conservatives, or because of the government's own views. Far more effective to drop leaflets.

[Loren Pechtel]

The problem with that idea? The government of said countries would probably prevent it from being broadcasted, either because of pressure from Conservatives, or because of the government's own views. Far more effective to drop leaflets.

No--we broadcast it from outside the country.

[TheMathGuy]

Militant Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Ba'asyir sees erotic shows on TV as "more dangerous than the Bali bombs".

More... (http://www.thejakartapost.com/yesterdaydetail.asp?fileid=20060921.H08)

I've once heard it said that the most dangerous thing in the world is love. It was meant in a good way of course, but the thing it was trying to point out was that a change in people's hearts and minds can be far more powerful than a mere physical show of force. Religious fundamentalists understand this, perhaps more so than most people, and so they know that the things most dangerous to their faith are not so much physical things, but ideas. Fundamentalism is itself a demonstration of the tremendous power that a belief can have over a person.

[TheMathGuy]

Seriously what is it with religious people seeing sex (ie something that creates and is an affirmation of life) as being worse than violence (something that ends/ruins life). I don't get it! It's seriously fucked up.

Because if you control a person's sexual beliefs, you control the person. If you insist that all pleasure (except of course the "pleasure" of serving the Church) is morally wrong and make people to feel guilty every time they seek pleasure, then they will be firmly convinced of their own depravity and cling to the Church as their only hope to avoid eternal torment. Life outside the Church will for them be a torment. Not that there aren't real risks associated with promiscuity, but I'm sure the early church leaders were not ignorant of the psychological power they could wield over people if they controlled their most pleasurable instinct.

Those who have been trained to associate sex with guilt cannot consider the possibility of reconsidering their beliefs about sex, because to do so is in their own minds just an attempt to excuse immoral behavior. We believe something is wrong, but we really want to do it anyway. So we try to justify it to ourselves and make excuses for why it's really not so bad. For this reason any argument, no matter how logical or rational it might seem, is immediately suspect. What such a person cannot see is the difference between an attempt to justify an immoral action out of a desire to do it and a serious inquiry into why you believe it to be immoral in the first place. Any attempt to question the belief is seen as an attempt to excuse wrongful behavior and will make them feel guilty. If you feel guilty just for having certain thoughts and ideas, then you will do everything you can to put those thoughts out of your head! It's like the little child who puts his hands over his ears and repeatedly chants "I'm not listening! I'm not listening! Blah blah blah blah!"

[IonMic]

Militant Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Ba'asyir sees erotic shows on TV as "more dangerous than the Bali bombs".

More... (http://www.thejakartapost.com/yesterdaydetail.asp?fileid=20060921.H08)

So if Naked Women are more dangerous than bombs does that mean that Islamic terrorists will start planting naked women everywhere?

[Lowly Idiot]

He called on TV stations across Indonesia to replace shows that have erotic content with programs Allah would approve of, such as Koran discussions, especially during the upcoming fasting month.

Allah: 'You know what? I don't really approve of these naked ladies everywhere. Why not talk about my fantastic book instead?'

[sknight]

He called on TV stations across Indonesia to replace shows that have erotic content with programs Allah would approve of, such as Koran discussions, especially during the upcoming fasting month.

So he would rather the "erotic content" be replaced by atheists broadcasting a tv programme critisising ("discussing") the koran and pointing out the contradictions, for instance? Sounds good to me.

[Clivedurdle]

http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/questions/qa00001977.aspx

It seems pornography is alive and well in Islamic counties! There is hope!

Very amusing comment about sharia and spartan - I'm sure the spartans were very proud of beautiful naked bodies, and men having sex with other men was the norm!


As to the important Question, "should Sharia law apply to everybody (not just with respect to porn, but also with things such as alcohol consumption, female dress code, etc.) including non-Muslims like myself," as a theoretical Question the answer is yes, the Shari`a is ideally quite Spartan with respect to those issues, somewhat like Singapore or Switzerland with respect to public cleanliness, traffic, and other issues of societal rights. However, in practice, these things are treated with leeway in all Muslim countries including the most puritanical, as long as one indulges them out of sight and does not undress, imbibe, or fornicate ostensively.

The Spartans were the first to eroticize athletics by introducing nudity, as well as oiling the body during exercise to enhance its beauty, a costly practice which broke with the customary Laconian frugality.[4]

The Spartans believed that the love of an older, accomplished aristocrat for an adolescent boy was essential to his formation as a free citizen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartan_pederasty

[post tenebras lux]

I guess it's worth pointing out that - compared to the judeo-christian version - islam has the role of the serpent (and the actions of Adam and Eve) reversed: Shaitân convinces Adam and Hawwa to perform the world's first strip.O Children of Adam! Let not Shaitân (Satan) deceive you, as he got your parents [Adam and Hawwa (Eve)] out of Paradise, stripping them of their raiments, to show them their private parts. Verily, he and Qabîluhu (his soldiers from the jinns or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them. Verily, We made the Shayâtin (devils) Auliyâ' (protectors and helpers) for those who believe not.