Washington DC ,the pagan religion

[chimera]

The Capitol imitates Roman and Greek temples of marble, such as the Acropolis buildings. "Marble" is from Greek "marmairein, marmaros" meaning "shining stone", from "marici". Marici was a Brahmin /Buddhist goddess of light and sun, as in "surya" and thus "su-meru", the central world-mountain Meru of Brahmins.
Meru was the home of Brahma, Shiva sun-god and Indra heaven-god of Indo-Europeans. Danu of Brahmins became Danann of pagan Ireland.-John Koch.Advanced Welsh Studies, Uni. Wales .
The prayers of Congress are said in a pagan temple.
chimera

[lpetrich]

chimera, that's totally laughable pseudo-linguistics.

The origin of the word "marble" has nothing to do with what buildings containing that kind of rock get used for.

[Eldarion Lathria]

The prayers of Congress are said in an imitation Roman senate house. And do learn your basic linguistics before you pose as an expert.

Eldarion Lathria

[chimera]

Mount Meru is represented by the tower of Angkor Wat in Cambodia, built for the Sanskrit Brahmin "Jayavarman" meaning "universal ruler". Brahmin Danu of the Meru gods is linked to Dagda god of Danu, for Ireland's Tara ("land-center") amid 4 kingdoms, like the 4 corner towers of Angkor. Meru means governance of the 4 compass directions. This was the self-image of the Greeks, Romans and US.
chimera

[chimera]

"The Capitol imitates Roman Senate". The Senate met in the Curia Hostilium, a plain-walled building with no columns or marble. Those were on the temples, of marble.
Marble < Gr. "marmaros" shining stone _OED.
Fr. "marbre"< Skt. "mar">"marici" ._ "Historique de la Langue Francaise".le Robert. Marici was the Brahmin shining sun-goddess, Eos in Rome.
Several Roman Caesars were made gods by the ...
Thus the Roman Senate had religious functions, as seen in the US Capitol prayers in a building imitating Roman temples and not the Curia Senate.
chimera

[Sarpedon]

As someone who's spent 6 years studying architecture, I find anyone who tries to read deep meaning into architectural forms tiresome.

Architecture is very derivative. Most architects use precedent to design their work.

Thomas Jefferson designed the Virginia State Capitol, modelling it after a pagan roman temple (in france) now called the maison Carre, and thus establishing classical roman architecture as the standard for American civic architecture

http://www.pernic.co.uk/source/maison_carre.jpg
The Maison Carre

http://www.tfaoi.com/am/8am/8am332.jpg
The Virginia State Capitol, as it was when first completed.

He did this because he felt that other contemporary styles were tainted by associations with monarchy, and sought to reference the purity of the style of government in republican rome.

The Curia of Rome (where the senate met) were nondescript buildings, and rarely survived until the 18th century. Most of them fell down, or were converted into churches. Not surprisingly, Jefferson used the more grandiose religious architecture of Rome, because that was what was around to see.

The great dome of the Capitol in Washington DC resembles the great dome of St Paul's in London, or St Genevieve's in Paris more than anything else.

http://www.antiquemapsandprints.com/p-14167.jpg
St Paul's

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/courses/rschwart/hist255-s01/mapping-paris/images/photo_pantheon.jpg

St' Genevieve's

Both of them predate the addition of the current dome on the US capitol building.

So, in short, Jefferson saw America's republic as a rebirth of Rome's republic. Hence the architecture (and the eagle, by the way). Thats all there is to it.

The idea that the US government is pagan because its architecture has pagan origins is as absurd as the idea that since the Chrysler building in New York city is in the Art Deco style, and so is Stalin's university in Moscow, then the Chrysler corporation must be communists.

Buildings can communicate ideas, but the ideas are seldom very profound.

[chimera]

I heartily agree that the Capitol etc. imitated temples rather than the Roman Curia Senate. Chrysler and Stalin Inc. were both corporations for the benefit of the leaderships. Stalin's Moscow State Uni. was specifically designed as an ideal temple of knowledge, in the Brahmin Meru shape of a central tower with side-towers, as built at Angkor Wat for Jayavarman "universal ruler".
The Soviets and US as organisers of UN have created the completion of the Meru ideal of world governance, with mental concepts and physical temples.
chimera

[Sarpedon]

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I can't believe this. You are essentially saying that any place that has a central tower and side towers represent this Meru idea?

Please tell me where the side towers of the US capitol are. I've been there, I've studied the plan of the city...where are the towers?

What is your point?

[premjan]

According to dictionary.com, marble comes from the Greek for 'sparkle'. And Marici being dawn, maybe it is a cognate but it would take an expert to be more certain.
[Origin: 1150–1200; ME marbel, dissimilated var. of OE marmel (in marmelstān marble stone) < L marmor < Gk mármaros, akin to marma�*rein to sparkle] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marble

[chimera]

American colonial style was used for early state buildings and could have been used for Washington. NASA could have used colonial explorer names instead of Greek gods. They went for Rome and Greece because of the resonance these have . And the Capitol could have been a true Roman senate with compact building shape. But again they went for the Roman temple style ,and have coins
with "In God we trust". The side chambers of the Capitol away from the huge dome go beyond even Roman style, in a conscious effort to evoke an ancient ideal. As we speak language derived from IndoEuropean tribes, so we think in terms that they established, such as the mountain peaks of governance.
chimera

[chimera]

...for example,in Australia.
http://www.peo.gov.au/resources/building.html

[Biff the unclean]

A big pile of dirt with stone walls built into it...just like Newgrange in Ireland. The Aussie parliment must be based on Druids then

[Sarpedon]

American colonial style was used for early state buildings and could have been used for Washington

I don't know how to tell you this, but colonial styles were basically classical styles made from cheap materials, and lacking the elaborate (i.e. expensive) ornamentation.

Like I said, we have classical architecture because Jefferson went to France, saw some cool roman architecture, and brought it back. Things might have been very different if he got sent to Constantinople instead.

Jefferson was the major mover and shaker behind getting the capitol moved from New York to Washington DC. He brought in a frenchman to plan the city, and direct the construction of the capitol. Thats it. Isn't it easier to believe that the style of buildings is because one influential man liked it, rather than it being a result of a vast shadowy pagan conspiracy that has lasted in secret for two hundred years, only surfacing from the darkness to put names on space probes?

Yours is the goofiest conspiracy theory I've heard in a long time.

[chimera]

Colonial American was low-level state-power, without marble, as you noted.
It is probable that IE people built Newgrange. The language here is of IE lang.
John Koch of Advanced Welsh Studies, Bangor has linked Brahmin god Danu with "Danube" river, Welsh "Don" and "Danann" god of Eire. "Brahma" <IE brih "expand.fructify.praise" has the sense of German god /brahm/ "Bram" of Donar, meaning OE breme "high.famous .noble" and OSw. bram "state .pomp". That "state thunder" persisted as "reich blitz" ("state. lightning" ) mental concept of Nazis.The language and images are several thousand years old.
State architecture has a particular style, inappropriate for ,say, hospitals, railway stations or Mcdonalds. We use English (or the similar Australian ), and government uses its "language".
chimera

[chimera]

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*The Symbolic Sources of Some Architectural Elements Options
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The following is quoted from the above article by Phyllis Ackerman. Journal of Society of Architectural Historians.Chicago Ill. Vol.xii No. 4.
"Other temples in Uruk, nearby and of the same period (c.4000BC), were set on platforms a few metres high and it has been suggested that these platforms were "an abbreviatied rendering of the ziggurat". ...The temple of the Great God at Musasir in Urartu (Armenia) in the early first millenium BC, which is a direct antecedent of the major Greek temple style, also stood on a platform, but this was integrated into the construction as a high basement. The high basement or the podium recurs in the ceremonial architecture of Greece, especially in funerary monuments. In Rome the high basement or podium was a feature in various categories of monumental architecture, witha wide variety of interpretations; and such Roman designs, with a full story or more of foundation course , the entrance above approached by wide stairs (for example, the Maison Carre of Nimes), have been echoed in great buildings of the European classical tradition of the past 250 years, such as the Medeleine in Paris and the National Gallery in Washington. Appreciation of the original symbolic significance persisted at least through the Greek period and probably also in Rome. Today, complaints against such non-utilitarian magnificence are loudly sounded by those whose legs are weakened by elevators, and who are ignorant of the cumulative significance of the form and psychologically impervious to the majestic."
What is your opinion?

[Biff the unclean]

What is your opinion?
The words of Sarpedon spring to mind, "Yours is the goofiest conspiracy theory I've heard in a long time."

[adren@line]

Greek is an Indo-European language which stemmed from a proto-Indo-European langage.

Considering that Sanskrit is the oldest Indo-European language (not withstanding Hittite) and the closest to the hypothetical proto-Indo-European language, it wouldnt be too preposterous to assume alteast parts of chimeras' theories are true.

[chimera]

Is it OK if I write The Society of Architectural Historians, Chicago and give them your advice?
chimera

[chimera]

The last 2 posts came in together. My comment about Soc. Historians was to Biff. Sanskrit does enlighten Greek and Celtic words. The Skt. Marici sun-goddess is parallel with Gr. Eos and Roman Aurora sun-goddess. "Marble" is linked with "marici" in Historique de la Langue Francais, de Robert.
chimera

[premjan]

From wiki:
Greek
Ελληνικά Ellinika
Spoken in: Greece, Cyprus, as well as in communities in United States of America, Canada, Australia, Germany, Turkey, Albania, Georgia, Italy, Egypt and the rest of the Greek diaspora.
Total speakers: 15 million
Ranking: 61
Language family: Indo-European
Proto-Greek
Greek
Writing system: Greek alphabet
Official status
Official language of: Greece, Cyprus and the European Union - recognised as minority language in parts of Italy and Albania.
Regulated by: no official regulation
Language codes
ISO 639-1: el
ISO 639-2: gre (B) ell (T)
ISO/FDIS 639-3: ell
Note: This page may contain IPA phonetic symbols in Unicode. See IPA chart for English for an English-​based pronunciation key.


Greek (Ελληνικά, IPA [eliniˈka] — "Hellenic") has a documented history of 3,500 years, the longest of any single language within the Indo-European family. It is also one of the earliest attested Indo-European languages, with fragmentary records in Mycenaean dating back to the 15th or 14th century BC, matched only by the Anatolian languages and Vedic Sanskrit. Today, it is spoken by approximately 15 million people in Greece, Cyprus, Albania, Bulgaria, the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Italy, Turkey and emigrant communities around the world.

[Sarpedon]

Marble is a more expensive and opulent material than brick, but otherwise has much the same characteristics. All architects love marble, we don't use it because of any ideological things, but because it is beautiful, durable and maintenance free. It isn't just used in government buildings, but also in churches, schools, universities and even private residences, if the client can afford it. There is no 'rule' that says marble must be used for certain things, or can't be used for other things.

The Society of architectural historians don't agree with your theory. All the quote you provided says is that people put important things high up. DUH! People first put buildings on platforms to keep them out of the wet. More important buildings got higher platforms. Eventually, this became purely symbolic. There was no one place where this was 'invented', any more than there was any single inventor of the knife, for example. It was realized independantly all over the globe, because it is such an OBVIOUS idea.

Similar architectural forms DO NOT necessarily indicate common origin. Pyramids in Central America do not indicate that they were colonized by Egyptians, arches in Rome and China are not evidence of a massive migration. Our society is so obsessed with liscensing intellectual property that we forget that people can invent the same thing at different times and places.

[chimera]

If you read the article again, you will see that it refers to ziggurats, and National Gallery in Washington,and that "appreciation of the original symbolic significance persisted at least through the Greek period and probably also in Rome". The Brahmin concept of Meru mountain of governance was connected to Mithraic religion, which was sufficiently influential in Rome to rival Christian belief.
chimera

[cape_royds]

Well, it was pretty funny that the new republic chose the forms of Roman Empire not only in the architecture of its government buildings, but also for its heraldic animal (the eagle, which Ben Franklin warned against but to no avail).

But on a separate note, it's always easy to tell which gods people worship. Just look at the biggest and most lavish buildings in the city.

I glance out my window at Vancouver's acropolis, and there they all stand, the glass-walled temples glittering: the bank towers. Fact is, we devote ourselves to money, and it's more of a tribal fetish than any sort of rational pursuit.

Those towers even come complete with priests prattling nonsense, looking out their corner offices, composing Mission Statements and Value Statements to reveal the true path to the toiling laity!

[Sarpedon]

Oh! Chimera, I did more than Read the Article, I GOOGLED the author, and do you know what I found? SHE WASN'T AN ARCHITECT or an Architectural historian! She had a doctorate in "Persian art history." She died 30 years ago!

In short HER VIEWS DO NOT REFLECT CONTEMPORARY ARCHITECTURAL SCHOLARSHIP!

So what if it was published in an architectural journal? Do you grasp the difference between something appearing in an architecture journal, and being written by an actual architecture scholar? Architecture journals aren't science journals, basically, the articles are fill for advertisements.

Do you know what we do in architecture school when we arent drawing? We sit around and laugh at the stupid theories of art historians! Stick to the paintings, guys, leave the buildings to us!

So, this is the best and only source you have? This dead art historian who was a henchwoman of the Iranian Shah?

Haw Haw Haw!

I'm reminded of fundamentalists who quote mine long dead astronomers for comments on biology and try to masquerade them as contemporary scientists.

[Hypatia_Jo]

The Capitol imitates Roman and Greek temples of marble, such as the Acropolis buildings. "Marble" is from Greek "marmairein, marmaros" meaning "shining stone", from "marici". Marici was a Brahmin /Buddhist goddess of light and sun, as in "surya" and thus "su-meru", the central world-mountain Meru of Brahmins.
Meru was the home of Brahma, Shiva sun-god and Indra heaven-god of Indo-Europeans. Danu of Brahmins became Danann of pagan Ireland.-John Koch.Advanced Welsh Studies, Uni. Wales .
The prayers of Congress are said in a pagan temple.
chimera
That is because the founding fathers were the Free and Accepted Masons. Our country was founded on pagan roots, period. Hense the capital, pentigon, symbols on our money, chosen holidays, yadah, yadah, yadah.

The capital of Lincoln Nebraska - you will make the same observations. Across the street there is a Masonic Temple. Across the street from Seward Nebraska's courthouse (also a gold domed building) is a Masonic Temple. I read there are under ground tunnels between the buildings. Mason city Iowa used to be called Boaz City. It's probably safe to assume that is the case for most all major federal buildings.

The American Religion: Mormonism - Joseph Smith was accepted into the fraternity (Freemasonry) and stole their beleifs and practices to build his own religion. That is why he was shot down by prominant figures in society (they were masons). The practice of polygamy by the leaders of the faith wasn't even revealed to the followers yet. Funny how "historians" think the massacres were due to Christian reaction to polygamy. Nope, it was Freemasonic justice. How do I know this? My ancestor, Thomas Brigahm came over on the Mayflower with the Puritans. Brigham Young (named from his grandparents surname) was relation. I have distant and close family roots in Freemasonry. And ANYONE can research the web. I had a pretty good idea what was fact and what was crap because I could ask.

[Lógos Sokratikós]

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[Lógos Sokratikós]

Neither Latin nor Greek derive from Sanskrit, to begin with. That's basic linguistics for you, Chimæra.

[Lógos Sokratikós]

But I would agree there are pagan elements in the capitol building. There's a statue of Mars right in the front. You can't get more pagan than that.

[Lógos Sokratikós]

The statue I'm talking about is: http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/us.capitol/ksixteen.jpg

[Sarpedon]

Are you sure its mars and not some generic roman infantryman?

[Lógos Sokratikós]

No, Mars. Google it up. And Ceres on the other side.

[lpetrich]

Considering that Sanskrit is the oldest Indo-European language (not withstanding Hittite) and the closest to the hypothetical proto-Indo-European language, it wouldnt be too preposterous to assume alteast parts of chimeras' theories are true.
Why is Sanskrit supposed to be the oldest Indo-European language?

It's oldest "document" is the Rig Veda, and that was composed in what's now Pakistan, where the Harappans had lived. And the Rig Veda describes a society that would most reasonably be called post-Harappan -- it describes lots of horses and horse-driven chariots and not many big cities, while in Harappan society, there were lots of big cities and next to no horses or chariots. This and other features place the Rig Veda between 1700 and 1100 BCE. See Rigveda for more.

However, Hittite was written down over 1600 - 1100 BCE, and Mycenaean Greek over 1500 - 1200 BCE; these dates are much more secure than the Rig Veda's dates, because they are based on the provenance of the clay tablets used for writing those languages.

The last 2 posts came in together. My comment about Soc. Historians was to Biff. Sanskrit does enlighten Greek and Celtic words. The Skt. Marici sun-goddess is parallel with Gr. Eos and Roman Aurora sun-goddess. "Marble" is linked with "marici" in Historique de la Langue Francais, de Robert.
chimera
Much of that is baloney. Sanskrit is NOT an ancestor of Greek or Celtic; Sanskrit is a relative of those two, just as Italic and Germanic and Slavic are.

And where is the alleged Marici sun goddess documented? I've never heard of that alleged deity.

Furthermore, Greek Eos and Roman Aurora were goddesses of the dawn, not the Sun, as Vedic Ushas was -- their names all mean "dawn". Homer often refers to "rosy-fingered Dawn" -- that would be the wrong color for the Sun.

[Sarpedon]

Cool Logos, I didn't know that.

Still, do you think we can make him understand that most people don't take this sort of thing seriously and wouldn't think twice about bedecking their building with allegorical figures that they don't worship?

[Lógos Sokratikós]

Much of that is baloney. Sanskrit is NOT an ancestor of Greek or Celtic; Sanskrit is a relative of those two, just as Italic and Germanic and Slavic are.


Yes. The fact that they're related can have some bearing, but a much more complex analysis is required to establish what Chimæra attempted.

On the other hand, s/he was right about the congress building having strong pagan influences. See my posts above about the statues. That is inequivocal evidence right there "on the porch". Can't miss it when you're standing right in front of it.

[Huon]

The Skt. Marici sun-goddess is parallel with Gr. Eos and Roman Aurora sun-goddess. "Marble" is linked with "marici" in Historique de la Langue Francais, de Robert.
chimera

If I google for "Marici" I find a buddhist goddess of aurora. But, the fact that there are goddesses of aurora in at least three different civilisations does not mean that it is exactly the same goddess. Marici, Eos, Aurora are three different names, unless you can give the links between these names.

"Marble" (english) is clearly the same word as "marbre" (french), and is derived from "marmor" (latin) or "marmaros" (greek). I do not know the Sanskrit word. There is no french word "marici" or similar.

[Huon]

John Koch of Advanced Welsh Studies, Bangor has linked Brahmin god Danu with "Danube" river, Welsh "Don" and "Danann" god of Eire.
The Danube river had two different names in the Antiquity. It was "Danuvius" near its source, and "Ister" or "Istros" at its lower course. Emperor Tiberius discovered the source of the Danube when he subdued the Vindelicians of the Lake of Constance in 16-15 BCE. This is mentioned by Strabo, as an important and recent progress in geography : Danuvius = Ister.

The link of Brahmin god Danu with Danube, I do not believe that, unless somebody gives a more detailed plausible explanation.

[chimera]

"She had a doctorate in "Persian art history." Sounds pretty good to me. As the pics. above show, there was a deliberate borrowing of specific symbolism. The purpose is effective - people immediately "read the language".
chimera
(My copy of The Journal of Arch. Hist. has no advertisements.)

[Sarpedon]

"She had a doctorate in "Persian art history." Sounds pretty good to me.

Oh, so you would trust an astronomer talking about biology. A general practitioner Doctor diagnosing brain disorders. An automobile mechanic repairing your computer.

What you like about her is that what she says supports your views. and she's a 'Dr!' it doesn't matter of what. What's the date on that article?

The problem with art historians and architecture is that they know nothing about construction, function or the other myriad things that we architects have to worry about that other artists do not. They apply the same reasoning they do to say, sculptures to buildings, and it just doesn't work.

[chimera]

I didn't think this would get into Celtic origins, but it has. IE languages developed around the Caspian steppes, and Scythians etc. in Afghanistan produced Sanskrit for Brahmin religion. Celtic was an early branch of IE and Celts like Hurrians of the steppes probably carried Brahmin ideas in Celtic Druid teachings.
Hurrians in Hittite lands had Brahmin gods such as Indra who with Danu killed Vritra snake who held back the waters. Danu gave the thunderbolts to Indra , and as storm-rain god is linked to Dnieper river, home of the snake-mother of Scythians. _Herodotus4.5-8. Diodorus 2.43, 5.24.The name appears also in Dniester and Don rivers.
Danu of thunder is Ger. "donner thunnor Thor", and is linked with Brahmin god Brahma in Bram of Donar, the German sacred oak. Brahmin Meru mountain of governance ,built in symbolism with 4 corner towers, is seen in Norman-French "merlo" corner towers of castle battlement. Romans would have known of Meru from Mithraic Persian influence and the Mithradates kings of Asia Minor after Persian invasion.
chimera

[Lógos Sokratikós]

The Indian religion is doubtless a merge of IE and previous ideas from the area (Just as the Hellenic religion had elements from IE and from the locals they conquered when they arrived at what we now call Greece). The Aryans conquered a land that had thousands of years of development. You are mistaking two half-brothers for a father and son relationship.

Chimera, you are falling for Indian nationalistic ideology. You should read neutral mainstream linguistics, not propaganda.

Lógos Sokratikós

[Huon]

Brahmin Meru mountain of governance ,built in symbolism with 4 corner towers, is seen in Norman-French "merlo" corner towers of castle battlement.

The franco-french word "merlon" defines the part of a parapet between two crenels. It is taken from the italian "merlone", says my etymological dictionary Dauzat. Which explains nothing more.

[Huon]

Brahmin Meru mountain of governance ...

There are many mountains of governance in many religions. Zeus on the Olympus, also Moises ...

[premjan]

The Rig Veda is definitely at least in part an accumulation of prior histories and not composed entirely in the Indus Valley or Afghanistan region - as there is the midnight sun reference to account for. This basically makes it hard to date the entire thing precisely. However the mention of elephants+horses (assuming they are present within the same verses which I am not sure) makes it likely that some of it was composed in the post-Harappan period. The horse verses by themselves don't necessarily have to be composed in the Indus Valley region at all, do they? The word for elephant is not native to Sanskrit apparently as it is very simple (hasti meaning hand - the animal that has a hand). Some of the other animal names are obviously borrowed from Munda.

I don't find etymologies of Indo-European based on derivation from Sanskrit to be convincing as they usually appear to be strung together based on a desire for coincidence.

[chimera]

On Sanskrit, I agree that obviously IE includes Indian languages. I wrote "Scythians etc" allowing for that, but the q. is about the Euro connection and Brahmin ideas transferring westward. If Hurrians had Vedic gods in Asia Minor 1400BC, then my suggestion is that Skt. names were entering Europe. Scythians met Persians on the Danube river when Darius invaded.
OED gives merlon as a part of battlement, and Merit Encyc. shows a battlement as a projecting bastion with merlons at corners. This shape is seen in Angkor Wat of Brahmins, built as Meru, and Mother Temple in Armenia with 4 out-lying towers. Celtic temples such as Gournay-sur-Aronde, and Pershore replica miniature Celtic temple have the Persian "mihr" square shape with a door on each side (or Celtic sacrifice pits on each side of the square). The French Gournay temple is in the W Europe region where Germans had their Bram of Donar sacred oaktree. Celts visited Rome 4th centBC as part of the general interactions between east and wesr.
chimera

[Huon]

So a square building, of any date, is doubtless the sign of a Brahmin influence.

[Huon]

Scythians met Persians on the Danube river when Darius invaded.


At that time (Darius I), the Thracian part of this river was named Istros by the Greeks, who did not know the source. So, the name Danube should not be used, especially with philological purposes.

[Huon]

Celts visited Rome 4th centBC as part of the general interactions between east and wesr.


In 390 BCE, a Celtic chief, Brennus by name, took the town of Rome, except the Capitole. Brennus is Bran in celtic, and means the bird crow. The story says that the guardians of the Capitole were awakened by the geese which had heard the movements of the Celts. However, Brennus took a ransom of 1,000 pounds of gold from the Romans. As the Romans were protesting that the weights were too heavy, Brennus throwed his sword on the scales, thus making the weights heavier, and shouted out :"Vae victis !" (Bad luck for the defeated people !).

Nice visit, indeed. Interaction between North (Gaul) and South (Italy).

[Huon]

The French Gournay temple is in the W Europe region where Germans had their Bram of Donar sacred oaktree.


Gournay sur Aronde is the site of a celtic temple, approx. 100 km North of Paris. At that time, the Germans were situated East of the Rhine.

[Lógos Sokratikós]

Celts visited Rome 4th centBC as part of the general interactions between east and wesr.
chimera

I don't think you're interpreting "east-west" right. The Celts were from what now is called Germany, but they already had gone to present France, Spain and the British isles in prehistoric times. They went to Anatolia (remember the N.T. "Galicians"), but that's as east as they went. And they never came back.

There were not Rome-Delhi flights in those days I'm afraid. Indo-Eurpoeans did not come from the Indus valley, only one group arrived there via Iran from an area that is presently in southern Ukraine.

IE migrations are were from Central/Eastern Europe to the West and to the East, and there were no migrations from East to West or West to East, only from center to peripheral areas east and west.

[chimera]

Scythians were on the Sea of Azov and entered Afghanistan and in 2nd centBC were in Greek Bactria in Indian Punjab. In 8th centBC they were in Ukraine and pushed Cimmerians west and went on to the Danube region. At that time they were also in Assyria and raided Syria and Egypt. The Mohenjo Daru carving of pre-Shiva of Indus river has often been compared to the Gundestrup Cauldron of Thrace, with a deity in Celtic neck-torc. Sanskrit teachings were written from 500BC in Brahmi script which was promoted in Syria, probably by Hurrian descendants and/or Persian Mithraic devotees. The script reached Cambodia as devanegara script, and Tocharians who had been both west and east of Scythians when Brahminism developed.
There was continuous movement across the steppes from the IE homelands by peoples such as Bulgarians who returned in historic times, and the final moves west by Hungarian and Slavs (and also non-IE Turks, Genghiz Khan and Kurds today into Turkey). Some even went west from Ireland and built strange temples.
chimera