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OldYgg
October 24, 2006, 02:59 PM
Now, I just thought of this so, please excuse me if 1) someone else thought of this before, 2) it isn't horribly well thought out.

Please note Christians, that I am NOT doing this just for shock value. I think that this is a serious avenue for the immorality of god.

Let's start with a model.

A young girl who is definitely under age has sex with an older adult. She had no choice in the matter. She bears a child. That child goes on to do good things.

Certainly if I did the above actions I would be considered a rapist and a child molester. It really wouldn't matter if the child of the rape turned out to be the next Bill Gates or manages to bend his or her head around interstellar travel.

God is all-powerful. And adult could be considered to be all-powerful over a younger girl (obviously a male adult in this case). Mary is a female - fairly newly married.

God comes to her and says 'You will have my child and he will do great things.'

Now, not everyone wants great things for their children. Some people just want their children to have a good life and hopefully have some grand children.

So, he does the did because he is - after all sovereign. I certainly doubt someone can consent to anything that a god says it is going to do.

Of course she is married. So, there is adultry there.

Apparently, god might not have been corporeal. So, he impregnates her and goes off on his merry way.

My wife would argue that this is worse - as she wouldn't have the 1.5 minutes of enjoyment before being pregnant with a 9 month struggle and painful birth.

So, adultry - she was clearly violated during marriage - even if it wasn't sexual in nature it was sexual in production. She may or may not have been consenting, but since humans are like children to god, god shouldn't have had sex or reproduced with Mary.

So, child (humans are his children), his children (incest) and adulterer as Mary was married at the time. Oh, and rapist, since Mary had no choice but to consent.

I think that's correct? Of course I suppose it depends on the meaning of the word sex, is. Or maybe I'm just stretching it too much.

Old Ygg

WishboneDawn
October 24, 2006, 03:07 PM
Well, being the lefty, wishy-washy christian that I am (and you all love me for it. I know.) I think this says nothing about god and everything about the writer of the story, the culture he belonged to and how they viewed God. So, considering women's roles and how they were viewed in that time, it's just not surprising that the myth (and yes, I'm no believer in immaculate conception) of Jesus's birth would be framed that way.

DNAinaGoodway
October 24, 2006, 03:14 PM
It's just a story, right? His character is at least less randy than the Greek gods. Doesn't he send an angel to make the announcement? Doesn't really show up himself.

And how was the deed supposed to have been done? Half Mary's genes in her egg and what? God sperm, perhaps miraculously constructed from Mary's own molecules? Or perhaps an implanted embryo and Mary is just a surrogate mother?

In the context of the age, maybe the Abrahamic God character is more like a terrestrial lord who can do practically anything he wants with his servants.

chasborne
October 25, 2006, 11:48 AM
Adultery and rape include intercourse... the story doesn't mention it, and infact, denies it... she's still a "virgin", remember? Anyone thinking person that thinks God decided to artificially inseminate Mary needs a genetics course. Joseph was the biological father of Jesus. Besides, the Isaiah prophesy of a virgin giving birth is very clear in Hebrew... "a young girl". NOT "a sexually chaste person will bear a son"... The "virgin" idea was added later as early Christians searched the Old Testament for prophesies of coming of The Messiah.

Agemegos
October 26, 2006, 01:39 AM
A young girl who is definitely under age has sex with an older adult.

Your analogy breaks down at the 'sex' part. The myth explicitly denies that anything of the sort took place.

OldYgg
October 26, 2006, 11:03 AM
The problem is what qualifies as intercourse? For a god reproduction would be intercourse - as he has no substance it can't involve any physical sex. But sex is the process of reproduction.

So, if sex is intercourse and sex is reproduction - what's the diff?

Old Ygg

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October 26, 2006, 01:32 PM
DNAinagoodway has it right. The Biblegod is very much an anthropomorphized divinity...an idealized "chief of chiefs"-type war god for the tribe. So he behaves in a way that a tribal leader of the time might behave. It's not suprising that they'd model their god after their own leadership.