Danish paper wins Prophet cartoon libel case

[George Oilwell]

A court has ruled a Danish newspaper did not libel Muslims by printing cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed that unleashed a storm of protests in the Islamic world.

Seven Danish Muslim organisations brought the case, saying the paper had libelled them with the images, which included one depicting the Prophet with a bomb in his turban, by implying Muslims were terrorists.

The newspaper, Jyllands-Posten, which published the 12 drawings in September last year, hailed the ruling, saying any other outcome would have been a catastrophe for a free press. Danish paper wins Prophet cartoon libel case (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200610/s1774698.htm)

A victory for freedom of speech over hypersensitive religious fuckwittery.:jump:

[EarlOfLade]

I think every non-islamic website should have a cartoon of Muhammed.

Personally, I don't give a flying fuck if some muslims are "offended". This type of offending is created in the mind of the the one who claim to have been offended. Claiming to offend a religion is just pure nonsense, since the religion itself is pure nonsense.

Kudos to my danish brothers and sisters, I'll down a Faxe if I can find it here and eat some good ham and bacon.

[Worldtraveller]

A victory for freedom of speech over hypersensitive religious fuckwittery.
I think this should have been the headline! :D

Reason triumphs yet again.

Cheers,
Lane

[Per]

Oh yay, they appealed. :rolleyes: What a shocker.

[ond_magiker]

You can think what you want about the cartoons, but the newspaper's unassailable right to print them has been set by both the country's prosecutors and the court system.

Yay! :)

[River]

wow

you guys really take pride in yer' dumbass , juvenile cartoons...

and these same atheists believe they are the epitome of

"rationality and reason"......and retarded cartoons somehow

symbolize...

"freedom of expression and speech"....LOL...

you can have your dumbass cartoons....if it makes yer'

feel highly advanced....

do want a crayola crayon....so you could doodle in something?


http://www.crayola.com/

[Naruto]

The pride isn't in the cartoons, which I think are rather juvenile. The pride is in a society that is civilized enough to protect freedom of speech, something that isn't found in the Middle East.

[River]

THE TOOL OF THE ELITE ATHEISTS ..

(they believe that they are the epitome of science and progress...lol)

http://www.business-supply.com/product_images/image/EB005228_crayons-tuck-box-permanent-waterproof-nontoxic-8-bx.gif

[River]

The pride isn't in the cartoons, which I think are rather juvenile. The pride is in a society that is civilized enough to protect freedom of speech, something that isn't found in the Middle East.

There are much better ways of expressing "freedom of speech "

than a bunch of european nations rallying in solidarity with

some isolated case.

If an African American's right of "freedom of speech" was violated..

would you see such a cosmic display by EU nations ...no

[River]

The pride isn't in the cartoons, which I think are rather juvenile.

.

honestly,

I think it might just be "pride" in their juvenile cartoons.

Did ye' see the rabid vigor by which they posted

and reposted those caricatures....delinquents all over the internet

were feeling the urge to repost the pictures and make them

ubiquitious......

verily....they are hiding something.....

[River]

I think every non-islamic website should have a cartoon of Muhammed.
.



freedom of expression

o'

deeply entrenched anti-Muhammad sentiment?

you be the judge.

[EarlOfLade]

freedom of expression

o'

deeply entrenched anti-Muhammad sentiment?

you be the judge.
I don't judge, you just did.

What is the problem with cartoons of Mohammad again? Oh yes!! They make the brain of their stupid believers become offended. A highly human feeling that has no relation to a cartoon.

If you get upset because of a drawing, you have some serious issues to deal with.

[Ponzi]

wow

you guys really take pride in yer' dumbass , juvenile cartoons...

and these same atheists believe they are the epitome of

"rationality and reason"......and retarded cartoons somehow

symbolize...

"freedom of expression and speech"....LOL...

you can have your dumbass cartoons....if it makes yer'

feel highly advanced....

do want a crayola crayon....so you could doodle in something?


http://www.crayola.com/

Feel free to draw pictures offensive to atheists; if they cause worldwide riots and outrage, we will denounce the Mohammad(tgif) cartoons and apologize.

[River]

Feel free to draw pictures offensive to atheists; if they cause worldwide riots and outrage, we will denounce the Mohammad(tgif) cartoons and apologize.

This is retarded.

You know that the prototypical atheist do not believe in emotions. They will

not get offended even if you make fun of their moms....

They are highly evolved creatures that do not have the capacity

to exhibit emotional depth...they have no shame

and they hold nothing sacred....

[River]

I don't judge, you just did.




Nope I haven't judged.

note that I have not said anything about all atheists...

only "some" atheists. Usage of the word "some"...is factually

and semantically correct. In my previous post ...you

will see me using the word " prototypical" for atheists. This

is even more accurate than the word "stereoptyical".

have fun.

[jafosei]

Did ye' see the rabid vigor by which they posted
and reposted those caricatures....delinquents all over the internet
were feeling the urge to repost the pictures and make them
ubiquitious......

Did you see the rabid vigor by which certain groups burned churches and rioted? People died during protests held over those pictures. An Indian minister put a massive bounty on the heads of the cartoonists. Individuals attempted to murder editors at papers that re-printed them. Wikipedia has a timeline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy) of events that are associated with the publishing and re-publishing of those cartoons.

verily....they are hiding something.....
Hiding? What are you talking about?

Personally, I thought the cartoons were in poor taste, and I see no need to publicly publish material that is needlessly insulting. People are still allowed to do tasteless and insulting things, but it was not good behaviour in my books.

That said, the reactions to the cartoons were even worse. That even one person should die because of them is monstrous. People complained that the cartoons insinuated that Muslims were violent, and the response to this was Muslim violence. Deadly irony.

[River]

If you get upset because of a drawing, you have some serious issues to deal with.

If you want to plaster "Mohammed" caricatures all over the internet...well

you have some issues too.....

[Pavlov's Dog]

If you want to plaster "Mohammed" caricatures all over the internet...well

you have some issues too.....

I don't want to plaster Mohammed caricatures, so I guess that I don't have any issues. Yay for me. You on the other hand...

[JamesBannon]

Interestingly on Channel 4 this morning (at about 04.30 - I had a sleepless night) there was a debate on the issue of Muslims and freedom of speech. At one point the audience voted 3 - 1 in favour of showing the cartoons in the debate but Channel 4 refused to show them. Needless to say the idiot Muslims were happy about this piece of backsliding.

On the rest of the debate Mohammed Khan was defending the Muslim position. Interestingly, many of the Muslim commentators interviewed used the position to argue that they should have the freedom to criticise the secularists "for having no morals" and for insisting that women who wore short dresses were "of questionable virtue". They even defended the inflammatory placards held by Muslims during the demonstrations on the basis of freedom of religious expression. I call that hypocritical double standards.

[EarlOfLade]

If you want to plaster "Mohammed" caricatures all over the internet...well

you have some issues too.....

Yes, indeed!

You are right, I have issues. I have serious issues with idiots who get offended by a cartoon.

And I have no problems admitting that, now it's your turn!

[jafosei]

This is retarded.
You know that the prototypical atheist do not believe in emotions. They will
not get offended even if you make fun of their moms....
They are highly evolved creatures that do not have the capacity
to exhibit emotional depth...they have no shame
and they hold nothing sacred....

Responding to what you described as 'juvenile' behaviour with more juvenile behaviour will not raise the level of discourse. Using the same tactics you decry adds no weight to your comments. Just my opinion, and it obviously doesn't apply if you're not interested in raising the level of discourse or convincing someone of the validity of your position.

[Anat]

River, both good and bad uses of the freedom of speech need protection. If anyone is offended by the outcome, by all means, say you are offended. But nobody has the right to act violently towards others or their property because of such offence.

[Tammuz]

Congratulations, Denmark!

Reason and freedom of speech won over Islamic barbarism.

[River]

I don't want to plaster Mohammed caricatures, so I guess that I don't have any issues. Yay for me. You on the other hand...


LOL.

foolish mortal! Was River speaking to the likes of ye'

I was addressing EarlofLade who specifically stated

" I think every non-islamic website should have a cartoon of Muhammed"

[Thanatoast]

You know that the prototypical atheist do not believe in emotions. They will

not get offended even if you make fun of their moms....Huh?

What is a "prototypical atheist"? I've never met one.

I'm an atheist and I certainly "believe in" emotions. I experience them all the time, and I think a quick reading of posts here at the IIDB will show anyone that atheists express emotion.

Should you insult my mother, I'd probably get, at least mildly, irritated at you. I might insult you back, or perhaps choose to ignore you in the future. I might tell others that you're a jerk, and that they should avoid you. If you did it in my physical presence, there's a small chance I would throw a punch.

But I wouldn't try to kill you, I wouldn't try to start a riot, and I wouldn't burn down your mosque.

[River]

But nobody has the right to act violently towards others or their property because of such offence.

Did I say that violence is appropriate?

But you make a good point.

[River]

Responding to what you described as 'juvenile' behaviour with more juvenile behaviour will not raise the level of discourse. Using the same tactics you decry adds no weight to your comments. Just my opinion, and it obviously doesn't apply if you're not interested in raising the level of discourse or convincing someone of the validity of your position.

Yes,

you are correct. There is absolutely no reason to use violence and

riots as a means of population feedback control.

Other more efficacious methods of overt contraceptive

interventions are now available

[Blui]

This is retarded.

You know that the prototypical atheist do not believe in emotions. They will

not get offended even if you make fun of their moms....

They are highly evolved creatures that do not have the capacity

to exhibit emotional depth...they have no shame

and they hold nothing sacred....
Its a good thing i value freedom of speech enough that i wouldnt riot and tell you to

STFU.

Gotta love Muslims who abuse the western countries freedom of speech of insulting others while simultaneously demanding extreme protective treatment.
:wave:

[Naruto]

Yes, indeed!

You are right, I have issues. I have serious issues with idiots who get offended by a cartoon.

And I have no problems admitting that, now it's your turn!


Getting offended by cartoons != rioting and trying to oppress people because of a cartoon.

I've been offended by cartoons before, but that has never made me want to remove Danish people's rights.

[EarlOfLade]

Getting offended by cartoons != rioting and trying to oppress people because of a cartoon.

I agree, but the muslims disagree!

I've been offended by cartoons before, but that has never made me want to remove Danish people's rights.
You have been offended by a cartoon? :banghead: :banghead:

I would really like to know what cartoon it was that offended you. Please be detailed!

[Naruto]

You have been offended by a cartoon? :banghead: :banghead:

I would really like to know what cartoon it was that offended you. Please be detailed!

http://www.oneimage.org/Images/index.htm

Some specifics:
http://www.oneimage.org/Images/pages/01cartoon198.htm
http://www.oneimage.org/Images/pages/01cartoon190.htm
http://www.oneimage.org/Images/pages/01cartoon144.htm
http://www.oneimage.org/Images/pages/01cartoon139.htm

Is that detailed enough for you?

[Kassiana]

Good. Sanity finally wins in this issue.

[EarlOfLade]

http://www.oneimage.org/Images/index.htm

Some specifics:
http://www.oneimage.org/Images/pages/01cartoon198.htm
http://www.oneimage.org/Images/pages/01cartoon190.htm
http://www.oneimage.org/Images/pages/01cartoon144.htm
http://www.oneimage.org/Images/pages/01cartoon139.htm

Is that detailed enough for you?
I looked at all of them.

Can you please tell me what offended you and why?

[Naruto]

I looked at all of them.

Can you please tell me what offended you and why?

First one: Those in the "liberal media" are terrorists. Lovely.
Second one: Abortion doctors love to kill babies. Lovely.

If you don't already get it, I don't think you're ever going to.

To be honest, I was also offended by some of the Muhammad cartoons, those which implicated that Muslim = terrorist. I don't need to be part of the group insulted to dislike bigotry.

I fully support the rights of Danish newspapers to print cartoons that are offensive to whatever group. I think hate speech laws are idiotic. Just because I don't like something doesn't mean I want to oppress people.

[Naruto]

My "serious issues" are taking a moment's rest, so I can say this:

There are different levels of offensiveness. Just because a Danish newspaper published cartoons that offend me, doesn't mean that I riot, or spend more than a few minutes reading and thinking about this issue. Despite your laser accuracy in diagnosing my "serious issues", they do not impact my life enough to make it "horrible." Quite the contrary, I rather enjoy my life, and I can appreciate the truth that much more when lies offend me.

[_Naturalist_]

A victory for free speech. It's important that we do everything we can even if some people try to threaten Europe into abandoning free speech and freedom. Just look at the Muslims who demonstrated against the cartoons, they warned us another 9/11 was ont its way, and to hell with freedom. Well, I wonder how they like living in a country with freedom of speech and probably a better standard of living than in their old home countries? And how about that freedom that let them demonstrate in the first place?

And how about Ecce_Homo_(exhibition)? A very controversial art exhibition that was actually shown in various churches around Sweden, sanctioned by the then head of Church of Sweden. How many religious leaders or followers would even consider allowing something like that?

[sknight]

freedom of expression

o'

deeply entrenched anti-Muhammad sentiment?

you be the judge.

Oh my god, sock it to 'em! You know what, I bet these anti-muslim bastards would get really offended if cartoons mocked jesus and christianity. It's exactly the reason why shows like the simpsons, family guy, south park, monty python, etc. are so unpopular in these anti-islamic (racist) pro-jesus countries like Norway, Denmark and Britain.

Fuckin' hypocrites, why don't they joke about jesus before joking about mohammed?! Remember River, it's not that the atheists enjoy people mocking religion in general, it's that they're islamaphobic and rabidly hate muslims more than hitler hated the jews. Notice how they never criticise christians.
Be patient River, don't despair, when these heathens die, allah will be there to rape them in their arseholes until they bleed and all muslims will be able to watch them and laugh at them whilst gettin blow jobs from their complementary paradise prostitutes.

[sknight]

Come see my religious and atheist cartoons in the humour forum: http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=3877643&posted=1#post3877643

[Kassiana]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. I don't see the cartoons as insulting to anyone but violent Muslims. I see one of them showing Muslims the harm they do their Prophet when they get stupid and do violent things, but that's about it.

And yes, those cartoons ARE what freedom of speech and expression are about.

[Withered]

Free speech wins out, great!

What can anyone say that would possibly justify the reaction of muslims worldwide when the story originally broke?

And what could justify the snide, and ...dot...laden posts of the prototypical islamic poster? River's posts have insulted me since i am an atheist...should i sue? Should i go out and burn something? Or should i turn to the one tool that i have that islam does not? Reason.

Can any follower of Islam tell me how a drawing of any type, in any medium, infringes on the rights of others?