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Johnny Skeptic
October 29, 2006, 02:19 PM
If you successfully refute one of the five tenets of Calvinism, you call into question the other tenets. One of the five tenets is that a man cannot lose his salvation. However, there is good evidence that the Bible says that a man can lose his salvation. Hebrews 6:4-7 say "It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace." (NIV)

Although many Christians dispute what I said, there is further proof that I am right. Matthew 7:21-23 say "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (KJV)

Now in Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus had to have been speaking about Christians who will lose their salvation because in Matthew 12:26 and Mark 3:23 he said that Satan cannot cast out Satan, meaning that only believers can cast out Satan, and in Matthew 7:22, he said "and in thy name have cast out devils."

Lixma
October 29, 2006, 03:19 PM
Well, you know the obvious reply...."well, they weren't really saved in the first place".

Johnny Skeptic
October 29, 2006, 04:25 PM
Well, you know the obvious reply...."well, they weren't really saved in the first place".

But as I showed in my previous post, in Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus had to be talking about Christians who would lose their salvation because he said in two other Scriptures, which I quoted, that only believers could cast out Satan, and in Matthew 7:22, he said that some Christians who have cast out devils would not go to heaven.

Chili
October 29, 2006, 04:48 PM
Although many Christians dispute what I said, there is further proof that I am right. Matthew 7:21-23 say "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (KJV)



It means that believers are not Christians because Christian have had their day of judgement and now do the will of the father in heaven. IOW Christians are already in heaven.

So really, it is a contradiction to be a Christian and want to go to heaven.

jdlongmire
October 30, 2006, 03:16 AM
I have been pulled into a proposal effort - will pop in and refute this later if Tim doesn't see it first.

-pax-

-JD

note (http://tinyurl.com/y7s2m4)

JamesBannon
October 30, 2006, 04:13 AM
jdlongmire,
I hope you received people's permission before you splashed their names all over your blog.

Johnny Skeptic
October 30, 2006, 08:35 AM
At the BC&H Forum, rhutchin, who is a Calvinist, came up with some good arguments regarding "once saved always saved" that I cannot refute, so I withdraw the arguments that I made in this thread. However, the most important issue is whether or not there is sufficient evidence that people should reject the God of the Bible. There is more than sufficient evidence that people should reject the God of the Bible.

Chili
October 30, 2006, 01:53 PM
At the BC&H Forum, rhutchin, who is a Calvinist, came up with some good arguments regarding "once saved always saved" that I cannot refute.

The reality of OSAS exists but not in the mind of a Calvinist.

Rev. Timothy G. Muse
October 30, 2006, 03:05 PM
At the BC&H Forum, rhutchin, who is a Calvinist, came up with some good arguments regarding "once saved always saved" that I cannot refute, so I withdraw the arguments that I made in this thread. However, the most important issue is whether or not there is sufficient evidence that people should reject the God of the Bible. There is more than sufficient evidence that people should reject the God of the Bible.

noted.
(Great! What a time saver!)