Net porn reduces rape.

[Loren Pechtel]

http://www.slate.com/id/2152487/?nav=ais

First, porn. What happens when more people view more of it? The rise of the Internet offers a gigantic natural experiment. Better yet, because Internet usage caught on at different times in different states, it offers 50 natural experiments.

The bottom line on these experiments is, "More Net access, less rape." A 10 percent increase in Net access yields about a 7.3 percent decrease in reported rapes.

And another thing they found that surprises me:

Next, violence. What happens when a particularly violent movie is released? Answer: Violent crime rates fall. Instantly. Here again, we have a lot of natural experiments: The number of violent movie releases changes a lot from week to week. One weekend, 12 million people watch Hannibal, and another weekend, 12 million watch Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit.

[Booyakasha!]

I have been saying this for years. Violent video games, for example, act as a valve to "let off steam" for young male human beings who are still hard-wired for constant aggression thanks to a million years of evolution. These stupid, meddling "soccer moms" don't get it.

This is also a factor in why so many males are angry and violent in the middle east -- no porn.

[Jennie]

This is also a factor in why so many males are angry and violent in the middle east -- no porn.

Another is their youth, young males are demonstrably more hotheaded than older ones; and the mideast population is much younger on average than ours.

[Booyakasha!]

Yep.

[ZouPrime]

I always knew porn was the solution to all the world's problems.

[Graeme]

Well, porn and beer. Don't forget beer.

[Starshark]

http://www.slate.com/id/2152487/?nav=ais



And another thing they found that surprises me:
While I'd go for the porn reducing rape as being a testable experiment, I'm a bit dubious about examining crime rates week-by-week based upon movie releases, especially violent crime which tends to be committed by the low-to-no income bracket (although they can always sneak into movies). And anyway, how many people see a movie in a week?

Mind you, I haven't read the article.

[DanBZ]

Well, porn and beer. Don't forget beer.

And remember that alcohol is illegal in many Mideast countries as well.

[rlogan]

I think we'd have to see the evidence.

Maybe you could post the porn links, Loren.

Then we'll get back to you.

Thanks.

[Graeme]

And remember that alcohol is illegal in many Mideast countries as well.

Huh? That was a bit of a random shot, wouldn't you say? Do I know you?

[pariah]

While I'd go for the porn reducing rape as being a testable experiment, I'm a bit dubious about examining crime rates week-by-week based upon movie releases, especially violent crime which tends to be committed by the low-to-no income bracket (although they can always sneak into movies). And anyway, how many people see a movie in a week?

Mind you, I haven't read the article.

RTFA ;)

The article says that the crime rate goes down during the times violent movies are played in the evenings. Crime rates return to normal around 6 in the morning. The author or researchers (can't remember who) speculate it's because people go to see a movie, drink soda instead of alcohol, so they go home and sleep instead of going out causing mischief.

[Styrofoamdeity]

I always knew porn was the solution to all the world's problems.

True enough. If we are going to get Halliburton a couple billion dollars to make life better in Iraq, maybe they should just start dumping porn magazines out of the payload of a B-52. Bomb Anbar Provence with porn. It won't permenently stop them from attacking American troops, but it would give US soldiers at least one quiet afternoon while all the young men of Iraq spend a few hours alone at home.

We definitely should start making porn especially for the Middle East market. Some titles could be:

Burqua and Butt-man
Debbie Does Dubai
Genital Jihad
Baghdad and Bagboy (maybe for the gay crowd)
etc.

[Blui]

This is very interesting because, taking the implications of such findings to the extreme, would the professor (Kendall) advocate that we allow pedophilic rape sex stories to circulate around the net because its effects reduce such offenses.

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=17353

Here is a news article of a woman convicted of a crime for writing about such stories, obviously it turns my stomach to read such a story, of course one can cite freedom of speech, and it is true that if i didnt want to read the story i shouldnt read the story.

Its an interesting gray area.

[Booyakasha!]

True enough. If we are going to get Halliburton a couple billion dollars to make life better in Iraq, maybe they should just start dumping porn magazines out of the payload of a B-52. Bomb Anbar Provence with porn. It won't permenently stop them from attacking American troops, but it would give US soldiers at least one quiet afternoon while all the young men of Iraq spend a few hours alone at home.

We definitely should start making porn especially for the Middle East market. Some titles could be:

Burqua and Butt-man
Debbie Does Dubai
Genital Jihad
Baghdad and Bagboy (maybe for the gay crowd)
etc.

LMAO. You might want to pass this idea on to James Baker's Iraq Study Group, as they are busily looking for "new ideas" on how to win the war.

[Loren Pechtel]

While I'd go for the porn reducing rape as being a testable experiment, I'm a bit dubious about examining crime rates week-by-week based upon movie releases, especially violent crime which tends to be committed by the low-to-no income bracket (although they can always sneak into movies). And anyway, how many people see a movie in a week?

Mind you, I haven't read the article.

What's wrong with testing week-by-week crime rates? I'm surprised at there being an effect (I would have thought violent movies were neutral.) but if they're finding one, why not believe it?

Incidently, the article is free.

[Starshark]

What's wrong with testing week-by-week crime rates? I'm surprised at there being an effect (I would have thought violent movies were neutral.) but if they're finding one, why not believe it?

Incidently, the article is free.
All I'm really saying is that we should be cautious. For example, why is the release of a violent movie significant in an era where violent videos and DVDs are available?

The author of the article seems to put it down to the fact that while people are watching movies, they aren't committing violent crime or consuming alcohol which leads to same. Why, then, are violent films necessary, rather than any popular film? What were the crime rates like during the release of Titanic?

The article, at least, is critical enough of porn on the internet, allowing that some other internet-related factor could be responsible for the drop in rape. It doesn't seem to examine the violence issue as closely. If we accept the findings on face value and start preaching them to the ban-teh-violence crowd, they will quickly find any flaws in the study and use them to bite you on the arse. I'm not dismissing the study, I just have doubts.

[BriAnna]

no no - now you have undercover cops on the internet to stop rape.

[Booyakasha!]

Well if porn drops rapes, a logical extension of the question might be: would legalizing kiddie porn cut down on all these abductions and child rapes? Could Foley and Michael Jackson have been saved? :)

[Styrofoamdeity]

Well if porn drops rapes, a logical extension of the question might be: would legalizing kiddie porn cut down on all these abductions and child rapes? Could Foley and Michael Jackson have been saved? :)


Hey, and Pete Townsend didn't rape any kids. It must be working...

[premjan]

Funny there's an ad against child internet porn running on TV on my cable nowadays...

[Malachi151]

I don't think we needed this study to tell us this. Just look at rape in countries that heavily regulate sexual expression compared to ones where they don't, i.e. Holland vs. Afghanistan, etc.

Every place where people try to regulate sex, it makes sexual abuse worse.

Catholic Church vs. free world.

Idaho vs. rest of America. (Idaho is the "reddest state", with a lot of regulation on porn, etc., and they also have high rates of rape teen pregnancy, and unwed mothers, etc.)

When will these people get it?

[Malachi151]

Well if porn drops rapes, a logical extension of the question might be: would legalizing kiddie porn cut down on all these abductions and child rapes? Could Foley and Michael Jackson have been saved? :)

Well, kiddie porn, or the making of it, is a form of rape, so I guess that won't work, but perhaps kiddie anime or CGI kiddie porn, etc.

[FloatingEgg]

This might explain Japan.

[WWJD4aKlondikeBar]

Well, porn and beer. Don't forget beer.

Yes, beer...the cause of...and solution to...all of life's problems. /homer.j

[Russell's Teapot]

This might explain Japan.
Sadly, nothing will ever truly explain Japan.

[Neutral]

This is also a factor in why so many males are angry and violent in the middle east -- no porn.

Thank you for this great psychoanalytic discovery Booyakasha.

You know what Booyakasha, I never see people in the word obsessed with sex as Americans, last year I was in Thailand attending terrorism conference:D and I saw by my own eyes your fellow Americans roaming the streets and bars of Bangkok asking for young boys and girls without shame and speaking of myself all I did was watching a show in a bar where there was a woman throwing bing bong balls from her pussey in the air:rolleyes: to demonstrate how powerful her pelvic muscles are but I never had sex with anybody over there cause of fear to contract HIV and because I know how to control myself and not to act like animals and this is why it comes as no surprise to me all these sex scandals in the US (JFK, jemmy swagart, catholic church,Bill Clinton and for sure the magnificent Mark Foley)

When I have time Booyakasha I will write my own sexual experience in the US documented by addresses and phone # and I am sure that you will enjoy it.

[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't think we needed this study to tell us this. Just look at rape in countries that heavily regulate sexual expression compared to ones where they don't, i.e. Holland vs. Afghanistan, etc.Well, wouldn't you need a study to confirm the stats on sex regulations and sex crimes? ;)

Every place where people try to regulate sex, it makes sexual abuse worse.The more taboo, the easier it is to hide the crime through shame.

[Aeron]

Hmmm, I would think if the war on drugs taught us one thing, it is that banning something prevents people from being exposed to it.

Oh, and prohibition worked well, too :huh:


What it the definition of insanity again?

[Loren Pechtel]

Well if porn drops rapes, a logical extension of the question might be: would legalizing kiddie porn cut down on all these abductions and child rapes? Could Foley and Michael Jackson have been saved? :)

I've suggested that the government try carefully controlled child porn distribution for this very reason.

[Nice Squirrel]

Mf&P material

[MadPhatCat]

Thank you for this great psychoanalytic discovery Booyakasha.

You know what Booyakasha, I never see people in the word obsessed with sex as Americans, last year I was in Thailand attending terrorism conference:D and I saw by my own eyes your fellow Americans roaming the streets and bars of Bangkok asking for young boys and girls without shame and speaking of myself all I did was watching a show in a bar where there was a woman throwing bing bong balls from her pussey in the air:rolleyes: to demonstrate how powerful her pelvic muscles are but I never had sex with anybody over there cause of fear to contract HIV and because I know how to control myself and not to act like animals and this is why it comes as no surprise to me all these sex scandals in the US (JFK, jemmy swagart, catholic church,Bill Clinton and for sure the magnificent Mark Foley)

So this post is a perfect example of the problem. You think you are better than the sex crazed americans you saw, but you know what, that energy has to go somewhere. And for many of your compadres, bottling up all of those sexual urges leads to buses exploding or worse. So watch porn often so this doesn't happen to you.

[xaxxat]

The Jenna channel will bring about world peace. I can just see the outfit she'll wear to accept her Nobel peace prize...

:thumbs:

[nightwyrm]

Pornstars are the real crime stoppers!! They should get a medal or something.

Now if they would only legalize pot and make sure everybody (especially ppl in the Mid East or North Korea) gets tons of it, there would be world peace.

[EverLastingGodStopper]

While I'd go for the porn reducing rape as being a testable experiment, I'm a bit dubious about examining crime rates week-by-week based upon movie releases, especially violent crime which tends to be committed by the low-to-no income bracket (although they can always sneak into movies). And anyway, how many people see a movie in a week?


Well, wouldn't you need a study to confirm the stats on sex regulations and sex crimes? ;)


Check this out (reposted with permission):
http://secularspice.blogspot.com/2006/09/waging-war-against-white-collar-porn.html
In early August, 2006, several religious-right groups such as Concerned Women for America, the Family Research Council, Morality in Media, and the American Family Association, joined forces to place an ad in USA today, demanding that the US Department of Justice “investigate” pornography that is made available to hotel patrons, claiming a violation of obscenity laws.

Touting tired old statistics that try to link porn consumption to rape, these anti-sex crusaders invented the term “white-collar pornography,” seeking to stop the top providers of in-room adult films, LodgeNet, based in South Dakota, and Denver-based OnCommand, a subsidiary of Liberty Media Corp. from delivering their movies to hotel chains around the country.

... According to federal crime statistics released in June, the incidence of rape has decreased 85% since the 1970’s. While the Campaign for Corporate Responsibility claims that viewing pornography causes people to commit sex crimes, they ignore the fact that hundreds of millions of porn videos are rented and purchased in the United States each year. Yet, the US Bureau of Justice Statistics reports that violent crime rates have dropped since 1994, to the lowest rates in 2004.
It’s bad enough that the religious right is trying to impose their morality on hotel patrons, but the issue is made worse by their bad math. If you look at the big picture, you’ll find that the statistics do not show that porn leads to rape. On the contrary: over the last 20 years, porn consumption rates have increased, but violent crime has decreased. Even the National Organization for Women has acknowledged that the incidence of both reported rape and unreported rape has declined drastically in the past two decades. And anyone with an internet connection can tell you that there is more and more porn available now than ever before. If porn caused rape, wouldn’t there be an increase in sex crimes?

More, from other sources:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13459465/#060622

But rape has gone down 85%. So much for the notion that pornography causes rape — or, at least, if it did have much effect in that direction, it would be hard to explain how rape rates could have declined so dramatically while porn expanded so explosively.

So while I won't go so far as to argue that porn actually prevents rape, it seems clear that the claims of some people — including a commission headed by former Attorney General Ed Meese back in the 1980s — that pornography promotes rape are, at best, overstated. I suspect, though, that anti-pornography crusaders are unlikely to heed this lesson.

Washington Post report (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/18/AR2006061800610.html?nav=rss_print): In 1979, according to a Justice Department estimate based on a wide-ranging public survey, there were 2.8 rapes for every 1,000 people. In 2004, the same survey found that the rate had decreased to 0.4 per thousand.
DOJ graph: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/rape.htm

[Hubble head]

I like this line of thinking and would be interested in reading any hard evidence that its true.

While the ME population is much much angrier than the US, it could be said young american's are more violent than our European or Canadian couterparts.

What's chilling them out that we do not have? Hmmm. More access to magic brownies? Better porn? Better beer? Less god?

I'll go with all four. Almost makes me want to move back to the homeland right there. Too bad they won't take me back. Maybe if I learned to speak dutch...

[hagiograph]

Another is their youth, young males are demonstrably more hotheaded than older ones; and the mideast population is much younger on average than ours.


The population is much younger because everyone is always killing each other!

The ciiiiiiirrrrcle of liiiiife.

[seebs]

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Brief closure for review and cleanup.

[seebs]

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A few posts have been removed because they were inflammatory, personal, or both. Just a quick reminder that we really do have a policy against insulting and inflammatory remarks, even if you think someone else started it.

This has the potential to be a really interesting thread. I would hate for an interesting thread to be permanently closed because people were too busy flaming to discuss the issue.

[kiwimac]

Wasn't there a study in Sweden 10 or so years ago which indicated the same thing re: porn and rape?

[Loren Pechtel]

Wasn't there a study in Sweden 10 or so years ago which indicated the same thing re: porn and rape?

There have been many studies showing more porn = less rape. This is the first I've seen specifically about internet porn. Most porn is pretty much only available to the 18+ crowd other than by stealing or raiding daddy's stash. An awful lot of net porn is not thus limited.

[tensorproduct]

This is very interesting because, taking the implications of such findings to the extreme, would the professor (Kendall) advocate that we allow pedophilic rape sex stories to circulate around the net because its effects reduce such offenses.

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=17353

Here is a news article of a woman convicted of a crime for writing about such stories, obviously it turns my stomach to read such a story, of course one can cite freedom of speech, and it is true that if i didnt want to read the story i shouldnt read the story.

I'm not sure I follow you here. Are you saying that such stories should be banned, even if they are entirely fictional (i.e. no children were harmed in there making?)

If the conclusions of this study are to be believed (and can be extrapolated to paedophilia) then surely, sickening as it might seem, websites like this should be left alone. Maybe they should even be encouraged in order to draw custom away from actual child pornographers.

[Blui]

I'm not sure I follow you here. Are you saying that such stories should be banned, even if they are entirely fictional (i.e. no children were harmed in there making?)

If the conclusions of this study are to be believed (and can be extrapolated to paedophilia) then surely, sickening as it might seem, websites like this should be left alone. Maybe they should even be encouraged in order to draw custom away from actual child pornographers.
Currently im of 2 minds because there is basically 2 implications of the studies.
1. It makes criminals and sexual offenders 'occupied' so it reduces the rate of crime.

2. It 'lowers' these peoples urge to commit such crimes on real people because they 'vent' their urges, so to speak.

Both are good, but im still unsure as to whether one should allow such stories circulating the net, the argument that it could encourage such behaviour isnt supported by any studies, but to many seems intuitive.

[Darkside]

You all obviously haven't seen James Dobson's video where he and Ted Bundy prove that pornography is the cause of rape and violence toward women. :grin:

Seriously, the porn/rape link seems convincing because it deals with the overall occurance of rapes, but I don't know about the violence/movie link. All it proves is that violent people like violent movies, and they can't commit crimes while they're actually in the movie. But does the practice of watching violent movies actually make them commit less crime? Does the overall crime rate in a month where a violent movie is released drop, or does the crime just shift from the time the movie plays to some other time?

[Jennie]

The population is much younger because everyone is always killing each other!

The ciiiiiiirrrrcle of liiiiife.

OTOH, their population is aging more quickly than most places, so some of the kids must be growing up. I predict the mid-east will be much more stable in twenty years, unless global warming really messes them up.

http://www.newamerica.net/publications/policy/the_population_implosion

[Lógos Sokratikós]

If net porn is a problem, why don't we try a solution in terms of "Rape reduces net porn".

I have found the once-and-for-all solution for net porn. I'll be waiting for my well-deserved pat on the back.

[Pastor's Nightmare]

I have been saying this for years. Violent video games, for example, act as a valve to "let off steam" for young male human beings who are still hard-wired for constant aggression thanks to a million years of evolution. These stupid, meddling "soccer moms" don't get it.

This is also a factor in why so many males are angry and violent in the middle east -- no porn.

Perhaps we can air drop a few million copies of the porn mag-
Debbie does Iraq?

Do think all the Islamic fundies would drop their fantasies of 40 virgins, and settle for the reality of jerking off to one sexy hottie?

[Pastor's Nightmare]

I like this line of thinking and would be interested in reading any hard evidence that its true.

Violent pornography increases violent attitudes to women. For instance, gang rape videos will increase violence towards women. Many psychology tests indicate this. These tests play an important role in setting boundaries for the porn production industry.

Pornography, especially soft-porn and for that matter even hard-porn, which shows men treating women respectably, does not appear to increase violent attitudes towards women. Often it alleviates some degree of sexual frustration and decreases violent attitudes towards women. This is a harder effect to measure, but some tests seem to indicate this.

As for violent video-games and violent movies, most statistical studies indicate that they increase violent behaviors. The introduction of guns in South Africa did not increase violence. However, when violent media products were introduced, violence in South Africa skyrocketed.


While the ME population is much much angrier than the US, it could be said young american's are more violent than our European or Canadian couterparts.

America has greater press freedoms allowing for the production of more hate/violence inciting media products. This means we have greater press freedoms. The price we pay is more violence.

There is also another major difference. Abortion was legalized in the US much later than it was in Europe. As a result, the unwanted kids were aborted in Europe, and they were given for adoption or raised by unprepared mothers or families in the US. This group is more prone to behave violently since these are less wanted kids. A very small fraction of the potential abortees actually commit violent crimes. There are approximately 1.5 million abortions in the US per year. That's the figure I remember, but it seems really high. People may want to look it up before using it. Back to my original point. Abortion was legalized in the 70s, and from 1990 to 2000, violent crimes in the US declined to that of much of continental Europe. We may actually be at similar levels now. It is taking some time for the awareness to catch up since it is a somewhat recent development.


What's chilling them out that we do not have? Hmmm. More access to magic brownies? Better porn? Better beer? Less god?

They're older, and their immigrant communities are starting to act more violently. Maybe the magic brownies help, but if you want them in the US, I imagine it isn't hard to get the ingredients, and then buy some brownie mix.

[Loren Pechtel]

Both are good, but im still unsure as to whether one should allow such stories circulating the net, the argument that it could encourage such behaviour isnt supported by any studies, but to many seems intuitive.

Just because it seems intuitive doesn't mean it's right. Sometimes what's intuitive isn't right. For a really nutty case of this: Sometimes building a new freeway will slow down traffic. There have been real-world examples: They built a freeway, traffic got worse. The new freeway was temporarily closed off for some reason--and traffic got better.

[Loren Pechtel]

Violent pornography increases violent attitudes to women. For instance, gang rape videos will increase violence towards women. Many psychology tests indicate this. These tests play an important role in setting boundaries for the porn production industry.

Note, however, a problem pointed out by the article I linked in the OP--this is what happens in the lab. There's a big difference between the lab and the real world--in the real world the porn watching generally leads to orgasm whereas it doesn't in the lab. Do those violent attitudes last past the release of the tension built up by watching the movie?

There is also another major difference. Abortion was legalized in the US much later than it was in Europe. As a result, the unwanted kids were aborted in Europe, and they were given for adoption or raised by unprepared mothers or families in the US. This group is more prone to behave violently since these are less wanted kids. A very small fraction of the potential abortees actually commit violent crimes. There are approximately 1.5 million abortions in the US per year. That's the figure I remember, but it seems really high. People may want to look it up before using it. Back to my original point. Abortion was legalized in the 70s, and from 1990 to 2000, violent crimes in the US declined to that of much of continental Europe. We may actually be at similar levels now. It is taking some time for the awareness to catch up since it is a somewhat recent development.

Yeah--we could really chop our crime rate if we could somehow ensure all conceptions were wanted.

[Blui]

Just because it seems intuitive doesn't mean it's right. Sometimes what's intuitive isn't right. For a really nutty case of this: Sometimes building a new freeway will slow down traffic. There have been real-world examples: They built a freeway, traffic got worse. The new freeway was temporarily closed off for some reason--and traffic got better.
True, to my mind the prevalence of porn doesnt so much reduce the 'urge' or 'mindset', instead it simply releases the 'pressure' so to speak, so they dont have the 'urge' at such a level that they do it to any real person.

In other words, a pedophile wont somehow become less pedophilic through pedo porn, but he wont do things to children cus he is occupied or at least have a way of venting his urges.

I love using '[insert word]'.

[Pastor's Nightmare]

Note, however, a problem pointed out by the article I linked in the OP--this is what happens in the lab. There's a big difference between the lab and the real world--in the real world the porn watching generally leads to orgasm whereas it doesn't in the lab. Do those violent attitudes last past the release of the tension built up by watching the movie?


There are numerous studies conducted and numerous experimental methodologies. Orgasm usually leads to temporary fullfillment and sleepiness. This has a temporary effect. The effect on the subconscious stays and builds over time. The result also seems to make sense, but I think it also depends tremendously on the state of mind of the individual watching the porn. I think many such studies are inherently flawed, and many of the conclusions don't fit my observations, and I trust experience over theory.

After coming out of a james bond movie, I want to be james bond. I don't act on these impulses except for temporary acting, but I think enough of these movies and a bit of mental instability will cause people to act in a more dangerous way.

As for the porn, there's some stuff out there I disapprove of strongly, and I'm pretty open-minded about porn. In one scene, a guy takes his foot with a dirty shoe and rubs it on the girls vagina. That's a bit dehumanizing(based on our pre-existing societal constructs).

Hollywood sexualizes a narrow range of attractive types(it's getting better). So do advertizements. As a result, guys generally want a girl that fits within that mold. Unfortunately, there are not that many girls fitting in that mold. Supply and demand. This leads to some degree of frustration and latent aggressive desires. Furthermore, all women outside this mold get ignored or don't get enough attention. This can be any range of factors(nose size, separation between the eyes, cheekbone height, body-size, body-type, breast size, etc.). Now, when a guy sees porn in which women are abused, this is creating constructs for how he should act, and it fits the innate tendencies to act in a certain way. When he sees a girl he believes is pretty get abused, there is a willingness to copy this aggressive tendency. He's frustrated he can't get a women he believes is attractive to be interested in him(the supply and demand thing); and, this frustration leads to aggression towards the perceived cause of his frustration, which is the attitude of the attractive girl towards him. Thus, there's a desire to force an attractive girl to show interest by available means, which in the case of guy/girl relations, is physical power. The thought process I think goes something like, if I abuse her, I can bend her will to make her want what I want.

That said, I believe the positive effect of porn is the following.
1.)Orgasm by itself is good. It chills guys out.
2.)Porn has a more diverse number of female physical types; so, it broadens the range of women guys find attractive. With corporate consolidation of porn, this is narrowing the number of sexualized physical types.
3.)If done properly, sensuality(or feelings relating sexuality and emotions) can be emphasized as well as raw sexuality based on the imposition of one's will on another person. The first is more about two individuals getting along in a mutually fullfilling way. The second is about imposing one's will on another person.

Anyways, that's The Pastor's two cents worth.

[dmarker]

I have nothing against porn except that it could be better. :D

But, on both sides, just pointing to any one thing to explain increases and decreases in crime is a bit simplistic.

[Jennie]

Note, however, a problem pointed out by the article I linked in the OP--this is what happens in the lab. There's a big difference between the lab and the real world--in the real world the porn watching generally leads to orgasm whereas it doesn't in the lab. Do those violent attitudes last past the release of the tension built up by watching the movie?


Then they need to test in the lab with the orgasm. It wouldn't be that difficult to do surely?

[Morgana]

http://www.slate.com/id/2152487/?nav=ais
And another thing they found that surprises me:Next, violence. What happens when a particularly violent movie is released? Answer: Violent crime rates fall. Instantly. Here again, we have a lot of natural experiments: The number of violent movie releases changes a lot from week to week. One weekend, 12 million people watch Hannibal, and another weekend, 12 million watch Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit.
So everyone who would normally be out committing violent crime is busy watching Hannibal?

[dmarker]

So everyone who would normally be out committing violent crime is busy watching Hannibal?


Which only proves that violent people like violent movies. Duh!