Withered
May 5, 2007, 12:53 AM
I was surfing about earlier when i stumbled upon this thread:
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=206010
Post #5 made a reference to a solid ice canopy that covered the earth and was the actual source of the rain that fell during the genesis flood.
Much to my surprise, i learned that the poster was apparently serious.
When i asked about, i got this follow up post:
Job 38:30 "30 The very waters keep themselves hidden as by stone,
And the surface of the watery deep makes itself compact."
When the Earth was being prepared there was waters in cloud form over seas. These waters were separated so that one layer of water was high above the waters below. This reference in Job mentioning the surface of the waters was "compact" and hidden as by "stone" suggests hardness such as in the case of ice, which might appear invisible, much like a glass casing around the earth.
The sun and other lights could shine through it and since it was transparent wouldn't likely absorb much heat. But this is just a guess.
If the waters collected above the earth were compacted and then hardened then it wouldn't affect atmospheric pressure below it but would create a greenhouse effect over the entire planet, which is attested to by tropical plant life found underneath the ice in Antartica. When this ice canophy was removed then the sunlight would be more direct, of course. This might have effected some changes, including fungi which could cause the aphrodesiac effects experienced by Noah and witnessed by Ham.
Of note, after Noah entered the art it took seven days before it began to rain. The presumption is that this ice canopy was superheated and vaporized into obviously quite thick clouds that certainly cause the earth to be completed dark by the time it began to rain, as we experience with some severe storms where sometimes it gets very dark. Likewise, a period of "darkness" will likely occur from the time it is too late to be saved and the actual destruction begins during our day.
LG47
My reason for posting this here, is because it is so ludicrous that i wanted to know the science behind it, or not behind it as the case may be.
For example, if we know how much water it would take to completely flood the earth in the way that genesis describes, could we then determine the thickness of the ice canopy described in the post by LG47?
Once we know the thickness, we could ask other questions, like how is the earth suspended perfectly within it? How fast would it melt? What would the effect be of such a canopy. Would it have blocked any essential radiation?
There is even a part in there about how the entire canopy was vaporized at once, resulting in sudden cloud cover that then rained doom on the world.
What amount of energy would it take to vaporize a sphere of ice bigger than our earth? What would be side effects of that.
I have never heard of such a thing as the ice canopy before, (although i have recently read about the vapor canopy) and think it is a swell way to have fun with people that believe this crap.
The problem is that while my high school science education is enough to tell me that no such ice canopy existed, (at least i hope something as huge and interesting as an ice canopy that surrounded the world would have been covered in geology!) it is not enough to tell me why it could not have happened, or what evidence might have remained if it had.
Can anyone here help me have fun with this, using facts? Or point me in the right direction?
Thanks.
L.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=206010
Post #5 made a reference to a solid ice canopy that covered the earth and was the actual source of the rain that fell during the genesis flood.
Much to my surprise, i learned that the poster was apparently serious.
When i asked about, i got this follow up post:
Job 38:30 "30 The very waters keep themselves hidden as by stone,
And the surface of the watery deep makes itself compact."
When the Earth was being prepared there was waters in cloud form over seas. These waters were separated so that one layer of water was high above the waters below. This reference in Job mentioning the surface of the waters was "compact" and hidden as by "stone" suggests hardness such as in the case of ice, which might appear invisible, much like a glass casing around the earth.
The sun and other lights could shine through it and since it was transparent wouldn't likely absorb much heat. But this is just a guess.
If the waters collected above the earth were compacted and then hardened then it wouldn't affect atmospheric pressure below it but would create a greenhouse effect over the entire planet, which is attested to by tropical plant life found underneath the ice in Antartica. When this ice canophy was removed then the sunlight would be more direct, of course. This might have effected some changes, including fungi which could cause the aphrodesiac effects experienced by Noah and witnessed by Ham.
Of note, after Noah entered the art it took seven days before it began to rain. The presumption is that this ice canopy was superheated and vaporized into obviously quite thick clouds that certainly cause the earth to be completed dark by the time it began to rain, as we experience with some severe storms where sometimes it gets very dark. Likewise, a period of "darkness" will likely occur from the time it is too late to be saved and the actual destruction begins during our day.
LG47
My reason for posting this here, is because it is so ludicrous that i wanted to know the science behind it, or not behind it as the case may be.
For example, if we know how much water it would take to completely flood the earth in the way that genesis describes, could we then determine the thickness of the ice canopy described in the post by LG47?
Once we know the thickness, we could ask other questions, like how is the earth suspended perfectly within it? How fast would it melt? What would the effect be of such a canopy. Would it have blocked any essential radiation?
There is even a part in there about how the entire canopy was vaporized at once, resulting in sudden cloud cover that then rained doom on the world.
What amount of energy would it take to vaporize a sphere of ice bigger than our earth? What would be side effects of that.
I have never heard of such a thing as the ice canopy before, (although i have recently read about the vapor canopy) and think it is a swell way to have fun with people that believe this crap.
The problem is that while my high school science education is enough to tell me that no such ice canopy existed, (at least i hope something as huge and interesting as an ice canopy that surrounded the world would have been covered in geology!) it is not enough to tell me why it could not have happened, or what evidence might have remained if it had.
Can anyone here help me have fun with this, using facts? Or point me in the right direction?
Thanks.
L.