Questions about ejaculation and orgasm

[Soul Invictus]

I have studied that male ejaculation and orgasm are two separate occurrences, so I had a question, but I think I may use the wrong wording.

I thought about this question because I was reading a thread in the Morals forum about a parent who masturbates his son (http://iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=201519). His son has cerebral palsy, yet the son experiences an erection and experiences ejaculation. Does the son experience orgasm? Does the fact that the son experiences ejaculation mean that ejaculation is primarily mental or physical? If you take males with normal cognitive capacities, we can delay ejaculation, which is what made me wonder about this.


Lastly, I'm not sure of what the female equivalent is for ejaculation...unless women experience a similar event by the same name. If someone knows, it would be great to know the term.

[Hyndis]

Well, it is possible for a male to orgasm without an ejaculation. :D

[toth8]

Surely ejaculation is primarily physiological. I don't think you can consciously will yourself not to ejaculate. Control over ejaculation comes from controlling the muscles in the genital area.

[Canard DuJour]

I have studied that male ejaculation and orgasm are two separate occurrences,

Really :confused:

Helluva big coincidence going on then.

[LukeS]

Really :confused:

Helluva big coincidence going on then.

Yes and no. Orgasm is an mental phenomena vie dopamine in the brain, wheras ejaculation is a more "somatic" process. Some people on antidepressants can achieve orgasm but do not ejaculate, and similarly I believe with some suffering from infertility. They are therefore not identical.

Regarding the disabled son issue, a brain scan would proboably have to be done to determine if orgasm were there or not, but one can reasonalby assume that it probably would be.

[Gracchus]

Lastly, I'm not sure of what the female equivalent is for ejaculation...unless women experience a similar event by the same name. If someone knows, it would be great to know the term.

If I recall correctly, (and it has been a long time), in embryological development the cells that develop into the prostate in the male, develop into the uterus in the female. Thus the spasmodic ejaculation of semen in the male is homologous to the spasmodic expulsion of the fetus in the female. So the female equivalent of ejaculation is called "giving birth".

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[Norseman]

Google "female ejaculation".

[Berthold]

Google "female ejaculation".
+ iidb. There was a thread once about it.

[Magdlyn]

If I recall correctly, (and it has been a long time), in embryological development the cells that develop into the prostate in the male, develop into the uterus in the female. Thus the spasmodic ejaculation of semen in the male is homologous to the spasmodic expulsion of the fetus in the female. So the female equivalent of ejaculation is called "giving birth".

:wave:

Sorry. No.

Many women do ejaculate. Unlike most anatomical drawings which leave it out, women's reproductive area contains the "urethral sponge" (maybe you've at least heard of the G spot?) which becomes engorged with fluid during arousal. This fluid is ejected during orgasm in some women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_ejaculation

[Gracchus]

Sorry. No.

Many women do ejaculate. Unlike most anatomical drawings which leave it out, women's reproductive area contains the "urethral sponge" (maybe you've at least heard of the G spot?) which becomes engorged with fluid during arousal. This fluid is ejected during orgasm in some women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_ejaculation

Perhaps you missed this bit?

However, to date, all attempts of scientific or empirical investigation into the reality of the G-spot have turned up nothing or highly questionable results. Tests that examined the innervation of the vaginal wall show that there is no area that has an increased number of nerve endings. Proponents are also criticized for putting too much reliance on anecdotal evidence.] The few studies that have tried to locate it using more precise means have mostly turned up no results. The few that have returned positive evidence are criticized for using small sample sizes and questionable methods

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-spot

(Note that the oviduct proceeds from the ovary to the muscular contractile uterus.)
(Note that the vas deferens proceeds from the testicle to the muscular contractile prostate.)

Note that the uterus and prostate arise from the same set of embryological tissue. The two organs are homologous.

It is true that females secrete lubricating mucus during arousal and orgasm. Men also secrete a lubricating fluid during arousal before ejaculating. This may contain sperm, especially if there has been previous sexual activity. This is why coitus interruptus is a less than certain method of birth control.

It is also true that the uterus and the muscles of the abdomen spasm during orgasm which would tend to expel the lubricating fluid. Female gametes, however, are expelled during the menstrual cycle (those damned cramps!) or at the timely or untimely expulsion of the fertilized ovum. This is homologous to ejaculation in men.

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[Soul Invictus]

Surely ejaculation is primarily physiological. I don't think you can consciously will yourself not to ejaculate. Control over ejaculation comes from controlling the muscles in the genital area.

If one can control ejaculation, isn't this willing one's self not to ejaculate? I would think that if one has the muscle control to delay ejaculation, that they could decide if they wanted it to happen or not...or am I wrong on this?


Yes and no. Orgasm is an mental phenomena vie dopamine in the brain, wheras ejaculation is a more "somatic" process. Some people on antidepressants can achieve orgasm but do not ejaculate, and similarly I believe with some suffering from infertility. They are therefore not identical.


I'd heard of orgasm without ejaculation. I can't say that I've experienced that, or how one would go about trying to experience it. I bet that's got to be great to have an orgasm and still be able to have intercourse.

[llanitedave]

Tantra -- The Art of Concious Loving (http://www.consciousloving.com/cgi-bin/resources.pl?id=20)

Once all the spiritual and ritual mumbo-jumbo is cleared away, what you're left with is a very useful and practical set of skills for enhancing -- and extending lovemaking. Yes, male orgasm without ejaculation is possible. It's also possible to indefinitely delay ejaculation until both parties are primed and ready.

It's just a skill that requires learning and practice.

[Musing Man]

Tantra -- The Art of Concious Loving (http://www.consciousloving.com/cgi-bin/resources.pl?id=20)

Once all the spiritual and ritual mumbo-jumbo is cleared away, what you're left with is a very useful and practical set of skills for enhancing -- and extending lovemaking. Yes, male orgasm without ejaculation is possible. It's also possible to indefinitely delay ejaculation until both parties are primed and ready.

It's just a skill that requires learning and practice.

Been there, done that. Fully agree.
It's hard to set them apart otherwise, though, let it be said.
And female ejaculation is not a myth, it's for real.

[ForensicAtheist]

Lastly, I'm not sure of what the female equivalent is for ejaculation...unless women experience a similar event by the same name. If someone knows, it would be great to know the term.

You've never seen the "squirters" porno series have you? I recommend Cytherea.