Essence of Anglo-Saxon Victorian fascism

[cojstvo3]

Always others unlike them are bad and they are the best and so on, and so on, thrir arrogance speaks the same story again and again and again.
So today Anglo Social Darwinists say:
" Only strongest and the best have right to survive"
without answering very difficult question in the world of relativity:
" What is and who is strongest and the best".
Why they think they are better then Koreans, Cubans, Iraqis etc? Is it because they have power to kill and to do whatever they want to others (like to Iraqis, Serbs etc) without being punished for that?
If Cubans, Koreans, Russians did something bad they did it to themselves, and it's non of Pome and Yankee business.
All those “Bad” people and nations didn't travel thousand kilometres, like they do, to conquer and destroy others.
That's right They are always the best and all others who don't obey them and disagree with them are not serious and very bad and by killing them they have to make them as “good as they are” or at least to bring them their famous Democracy".
That's part of their primitive “democratic” social Darwinism and unlimited arrogance of Victorian fascism.
When Darwin tried to explain to his Anglo population that his theory applies manly in animals they did not believe him and happily applied on themselves.
But the problem is they want to make others "happy" as well. And those who say to the bullies:
“No, thank you we don't want to go back to the caves”, well they must be very bad, what else, because:
"America, Britan and the rest of the West is the best".
You see that's why they, so uncivilized, can understand only language of force and nothing else like real predatorily animals.
Please go, with your Darwin and Victorian fascism, back to the caves and leave rest of the world alone

[RED DAVE]

Welcome to IIDB, cojstvo3.

RED DAVE

[Hawkeye]

Yep, welcome to IIDB, cojstvo3!

The motives of the West in relations to non-Western countries are complex. Just as it's easy, and wrong, to to assume that Western powers always have the best of humanity in mind, it's equally wrong to to assume they're all driven by Fascism.

That no nation wants unwanted interferrence from foreigners is obvious, however, many of these "bad" countries are run by bad people. Many people, even non-Westerners, don't think that state sovereignty should serve as a shield to protect, say, human rights violators.

[Cosmo]

Although such attitudes are repugnant, indefensible and should be resisted, they are more widespread than your post considers. Unfortunately, Cojstvo3 , not even Russia is immune from such criticism:



http://au.news.yahoo.com/070523/19/13jsb.html

Russia has seen "widespread" hate crimes against foreigners, while Roma suffer "rampant" exclusion around Europe "illustrating the blatant failure of leadership to combat racism and xenophobia.

All right thinking individuals around the world should resist these types of attitudes wherever they surface. It's no good just pointing the finger at someone else- it's too widespread.

[untermensche]

Yep, welcome to IIDB, cojstvo3!

The motives of the West in relations to non-Western countries are complex. Just as it's easy, and wrong, to to assume that Western powers always have the best of humanity in mind, it's equally wrong to to assume they're all driven by Fascism.

That no nation wants unwanted interferrence from foreigners is obvious, however, many of these "bad" countries are run by bad people. Many people, even non-Westerners, don't think that state sovereignty should serve as a shield to protect, say, human rights violators.
What the West wants is profits. And the easy way to get profits from some weaker nation is to take their resources of value, or today gain corporate control of the resources, and sell them for profits.

[Hawkeye]

Is this profit-seeking the motives of all Western actors?

[countjulian]

Maybe you should look at the fascism growing in your own country, from groups like the National Bolsheviks, cojstvo3.

http://www.northstarcompass.org/nsc0503/putin.htm


It seems – according to our information – that there are up to 80,000 Skinheads throughout Russia, almost as many as in the USA, Germany and Britain combined! Many are linked to outright fascist parties and even those that call themselves National Bolsheviks or National Socialists!


It seems to me that most Russians wouldn't know fascism if it bit them in the arse. This is apparent from your cartoon definitition of fascism. Fascism entails collectivism, statism, government control over industry and capital, nationalization of (at least) the media and the educational system, enforced governmental labor unions, unlimited police power, and unbridled expansion, all of which fascism inherited from its proginator socialism (all of the important fascists, from Mussolini to Quisling, were former socialists), and which Russia has today also inherited from socialism. Social darwinism was only really important to the Nazi movement in Germany, not to fascism as a whole.

Instead of blaming the West for your problems, you should look to your own probles (such as your support for Serbian genocide), and look to the fascism growing in your own country, where Putin has nationalized the media, put strict controls over the economy, used the police to terrorize those who opposse the regime (even fellow fascists like Gary Kasperov), and has allowed fascist paramilitaries to rule the streets.

[Rudolph]

Always others unlike them are bad and they are the best and so on, and so on, thrir arrogance speaks the same story again and again and again.
So today Anglo Social Darwinists say:
" Only strongest and the best have right to survive"
without answering very difficult question in the world of relativity:
" What is and who is strongest and the best".
Why they think they are better then Koreans, Cubans, Iraqis etc? Is it because they have power to kill and to do whatever they want to others (like to Iraqis, Serbs etc) without being punished for that?
If Cubans, Koreans, Russians did something bad they did it to themselves, and it's non of Pome and Yankee business.
All those “Bad” people and nations didn't travel thousand kilometres, like they do, to conquer and destroy others.
That's right They are always the best and all others who don't obey them and disagree with them are not serious and very bad and by killing them they have to make them as “good as they are” or at least to bring them their famous Democracy".
That's part of their primitive “democratic” social Darwinism and unlimited arrogance of Victorian fascism.
When Darwin tried to explain to his Anglo population that his theory applies manly in animals they did not believe him and happily applied on themselves.
But the problem is they want to make others "happy" as well. And those who say to the bullies:
“No, thank you we don't want to go back to the caves”, well they must be very bad, what else, because:
"America, Britan and the rest of the West is the best".
You see that's why they, so uncivilized, can understand only language of force and nothing else like real predatorily animals.
Please go, with your Darwin and Victorian fascism, back to the caves and leave rest of the world alone

For me, this is a completly outdated and over generalised assesment. I sympathise completly with the view that the west should be doing a lot more to help the rest of the world, that the west's dominant position in the world is down to cohersion and force, corruption and the like, but the OP is mistaken to think this has anything to do with victorian faschism and social darwinism.
There are very few ideological motivations left in the world of western politics. It's almost pure materialism from all sides, as reflected by the migration of western politics to the battlefield of the middle ground, where differences between political parties are slowly eroded, as they compete for power, granted by the self interested individualistic voter. What's in it for me? is the question of the age.

[Rudolph]

We do have some redeeming features though... We have a strong network of charities and NGOs, with a significant minority dedicating time and resources to worthwhile causes. We allow dissent, a free press, freedom of information, movement and so on. In short, our systems provide individuals with all the tools to instigate change on a local and national level.

[toth8]

Always others unlike them are bad and they are the best and so on, and so on, thrir arrogance speaks the same story again and again and again.
So today Anglo Social Darwinists say:
" Only strongest and the best have right to survive"
without answering very difficult question in the world of relativity:
" What is and who is strongest and the best".

What? Since when was every in the UK a "Darwinist"?


Why they think they are better then Koreans, Cubans, Iraqis etc? Is it because they have power to kill and to do whatever they want to others (like to Iraqis, Serbs etc) without being punished for that?
If Cubans, Koreans, Russians did something bad they did it to themselves, and it's non of Pome and Yankee business.
All those “Bad” people and nations didn't travel thousand kilometres, like they do, to conquer and destroy others.

Hmm..ok. And Russia never invaded Afghanistan. And Chechnya. {MOD SNIP}

That's right They are always the best and all others who don't obey them and disagree with them are not serious and very bad and by killing them they have to make them as “good as they are” or at least to bring them their famous Democracy".
That's part of their primitive “democratic” social Darwinism and unlimited arrogance of Victorian fascism.
When Darwin tried to explain to his Anglo population that his theory applies manly in animals they did not believe him and happily applied on themselves.
But the problem is they want to make others "happy" as well. And those who say to the bullies:
“No, thank you we don't want to go back to the caves”, well they must be very bad, what else, because:
"America, Britan and the rest of the West is the best".
You see that's why they, so uncivilized, can understand only language of force and nothing else like real predatorily animals.
Please go, with your Darwin and Victorian fascism, back to the caves and leave rest of the world alone

I'd think the Anglo-Saxon world has done more for general prosperity and well being than Russia ever has. Unlike the Stalinist gulags that your country has given the world. ;)

[Rudolph]

To be fair toth08, the UK has caused some real bullshit in the world, and the good is far outweighed by the bad IMO... Russia may have had the gulags, but we took part in the slave trade, colonised half the world and decimated indigenous populations in the process, caused immense suffering and then left almost irresolvable situations in our wake, and we've continued to behave in a less than honorable way throughout the twentieth century, and into the 21st while presenting ourselves as civilised and rational...

[untermensche]

Is this profit-seeking the motives of all Western actors?
The profit seekers have co-opted many Western governments, not all, to coerse and threaten and attack weaker nations in their, the corporations, not national, interests.

And this is called foreign policy.

[psikeyhackr]

Victorian Borg?

Blimey!

:devil1:

psik

[geddit?]

The peaceful, civilized and conflict free Russia of the last two hundred years:

http://www.onwar.com/aced/nation/ram/russia/findex.htm

Our planet is full of pots and kettles.

[cojstvo3]

The peaceful, civilized and conflict free Russia of the last two hundred years:

http://www.onwar.com/aced/nation/ram/russia/findex.htm

Our planet is full of pots and kettles.


Another example of “ Superior Anglo race “ can be recognise in this recent fascist Tony Blair’s farewell speech in which he stated:
“This is greatest nation in world”.

He didn’t say this is one of the greatest nation in the world he, like Adolph Hitler, stated as the fascist fact this is greatest nation in the world and his eyes where glowing very strange like mad dog and it crossed my mind at a moment: “God this puppies are sick they believe in supremacy of their race and they believe that rest of the world should just obey and follow their madness”.
But such fascist behaviour has it’s historical roots. In Victorian period virtually the whole nation was trained as an army in order to conquer and enslave other peoples in the world, the same as Hitler did.
At that period it was established practice of training children, at as early age as possible, to control and suppress their emotion in order to become tough and emotionally untouchable as a part of building superior race ( The same as it happened later on in Nazi Germany ).
This practice remains to these days in majority of Anglo-Saxon countries as common part of their “education”. The side effect of this training is that people at adult period of their life became creatures without emotion and compassion as individuals, which makes depression number one disease in Anglo-Saxon world even among children.

Today we have Anglo-Saxon societies where parents give their children ecstasy tablets, instead their LOVE, to suppress, as they say, epidemic of different mental compulsory disorders among school children.
I can understand them. How can you give something what you don’t have?

[Triple Six]

Another example of “ Superior Anglo race “ can be recognise in this <snipped to save bandwidth>
Today we have Anglo-Saxon societies where parents give their children ecstasy tablets, instead their LOVE, to suppress, as they say, epidemic of different mental compulsory disorders among school children.
I can understand them. How can you give something what you don’t have?

An amazingly racist rant which makes sweeping generalizations that aren't even close to the facts. I wonder if this would be allowed if it referred to anyone other than Anglo Saxons?

[cojstvo3]

An amazingly racist rant which makes sweeping generalizations that aren't even close to the facts. I wonder if this would be allowed if it referred to anyone other than Anglo Saxons?

As I said the same story again and again nothing new.
Display of arrogance, intolerance and Victorian fascist attitude.

“In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act”
Sartr

[toth8]

In Victorian period virtually the whole nation was trained as an army in order to conquer and enslave other peoples in the world, the same as Hitler did.

And Russia wasn't built by conquest?

[premjan]

I guess the Anglo-Saxons were the champions of conquest in the modern era, certainly but many other nations have done their share.

[John the Baathist]

All those “Bad” people and nations didn't travel thousand kilometres, like they do, to conquer and destroy others.
That's right They are always the best and all others who don't obey them and disagree with them are not serious and very bad and by killing them they have to make them as “good as they are” or at least to bring them their famous Democracy".


IN SOVIET RUSSIA, FASCISM IS YOU!*


Welcome to IIDB, I will certainly vote for this thread when it is nominated to become the thread of the month!
On a serious note, perhaps you should visit any of these countries sometime and discover they are in fact not inhabited by emotionally suppressed automatons bringing their children up on XTC.

*Stalinist Soviet Russia of course, for the uncurably political correct deprived of humor.

[Rudolph]

Another example of “ Superior Anglo race “ can be recognise in this recent fascist Tony Blair’s farewell speech in which he stated:
“This is greatest nation in world”.

He didn’t say this is one of the greatest nation in the world he, like Adolph Hitler, stated as the fascist fact this is greatest nation in the world and his eyes where glowing very strange like mad dog and it crossed my mind at a moment: “God this puppies are sick they believe in supremacy of their race and they believe that rest of the world should just obey and follow their madness”.
But such fascist behaviour has it’s historical roots. In Victorian period virtually the whole nation was trained as an army in order to conquer and enslave other peoples in the world, the same as Hitler did.
At that period it was established practice of training children, at as early age as possible, to control and suppress their emotion in order to become tough and emotionally untouchable as a part of building superior race ( The same as it happened later on in Nazi Germany ).
This practice remains to these days in majority of Anglo-Saxon countries as common part of their “education”. The side effect of this training is that people at adult period of their life became creatures without emotion and compassion as individuals, which makes depression number one disease in Anglo-Saxon world even among children.

Today we have Anglo-Saxon societies where parents give their children ecstasy tablets, instead their LOVE, to suppress, as they say, epidemic of different mental compulsory disorders among school children.
I can understand them. How can you give something what you don’t have?

Mate, I think you need to visit this anglo saxon world you keep referring to. Gawd, even Charles Dickens didn't paint as bleak a picture of victorian england as you are now! And just in case you hadn't realised, that era was 200 years ago!
And this whole supression of emotion stuff is as big a load of bollocks as parents giving their kids ecstacy. Where on earth have you been reading these stories? I'd have serious issues with your media if I were you. Afterall, you're in the country where reporters get assassinated for daring to question Putin and his regime. And you seem to be lapping up the state sponsored alternatives no end.

[Hawkeye]

The profit seekers have co-opted many Western governments, not all, to coerse and threaten and attack weaker nations in their, the corporations, not national, interests.

And this is called foreign policy.

But this is a trait of many governments, not just Western ones. ;)

[Hawkeye]

But such fascist behaviour has it’s historical roots. In Victorian period virtually the whole nation was trained as an army in order to conquer and enslave other peoples in the world, the same as Hitler did.
At that period it was established practice of training children, at as early age as possible, to control and suppress their emotion in order to become tough and emotionally untouchable as a part of building superior race ( The same as it happened later on in Nazi Germany ).
This practice remains to these days in majority of Anglo-Saxon countries as common part of their “education”. The side effect of this training is that people at adult period of their life became creatures without emotion and compassion as individuals, which makes depression number one disease in Anglo-Saxon world even among children.

Today we have Anglo-Saxon societies where parents give their children ecstasy tablets, instead their LOVE, to suppress, as they say, epidemic of different mental compulsory disorders among school children.
I can understand them. How can you give something what you don’t have?

You walk far down a dangerous path if you declare the adult population of an entire people as lacking emotion and compassion. You de-humanize Anglo-Saxons; the very thing you're accuse them of doing to others. :huh:

[IsItJustMe]

I can certainly understand a person who lives in Russia being enraged by Anglo-American hubris and violence. A list of the wars which the U.S. has engaged in over the past century is really sobering to any but the most blindly jingoistic American.

Still, I do not think that you have an adequate picture of life in England and the U.S.

Wars are not caused by one country being filled with a race of monsters. Wars are a situation where millions of basically decent human beings behave as monsters. The reasons behind this are complex, but well worth understanding.

Oversimplification and demonization of your enemies -- which common enough in the U.S. and England of course -- is dangerous and counterproductive, wherever it is practiced.

[TySixtus]

I'm trying to remember the last time I had to wait in line for 5 hours to buy toilet-paper...

Ty

[Heurismus]

Welcome to IIDB, cojstvo3.

RED DAVE

Ditto!

[IsItJustMe]

I'm trying to remember the last time I had to wait in line for 5 hours to buy toilet-paper...

Ty

Hahaha... You don't seriously think that Russians wait in line for five hours to buy toilet paper, do you?

[untermensche]

But this is a trait of many governments, not just Western ones. ;)
Some governments act in the interest of the country as a whole, not simply a small segment of corporate leaders and investors.

That is essentially a form of fascism.

And we see it in action in Iraq.

This is the American example of how to do something.

[JamesBannon]

Russia ever has. Unlike the Stalinist gulags that your country has given the world.
Just a nit. Soviet Russia wasn't the first country to invent gulags. I'll leave to guess who was.

[cojstvo3]

IN SOVIET RUSSIA, FASCISM IS YOU!*


Welcome to IIDB, I will certainly vote for this thread when it is nominated to become the thread of the month!
On a serious note, perhaps you should visit any of these countries sometime and discover they are in fact not inhabited by emotionally suppressed automatons bringing their children up on XTC.

*Stalinist Soviet Russia of course, for the uncurably political correct deprived of humor.


Looks someone is out of touch with present reality. There is no communism and Stalinism in Russia any more the same that there is no slavery ( well better ask their black population ) in Britain and USA any more.

[JamesBannon]

As I said the same story again and again nothing new.
Display of arrogance, intolerance and Victorian fascist attitude.

“In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act”
Sartr
I'm neither an Anglo-Saxon nor Victorian. I'm a Scot. Does that count?

[cojstvo3]

This is how READY MADE Primitive capitalistic and fascist Social Darwinistic Anglo-Saxon societies treats their own children with ready made junk Big Mc food, ready made Hollywood crap and ready made parents love in form of amphetamine ecstasy drugs.
No wonder there are so many teenage drag addicts in Disneyland paradises, what do you expect when you drug them at very early 4yo or 5yo age.
In recent TV BBC program they presented parents who first gave drug to the children with ADD and later on they started taking drugs themselves because the doctors told them they also had ADD.

Shall we say:
HAPPY JUNKIE ANGLO PARADISE.






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[cojstvo3]

I'm neither an Anglo-Saxon nor Victorian. I'm a Scot. Does that count?


Probably Irish people in occupied Northern part of Ireland can give you more appropriate answer.

[JamesBannon]

Probably Irish people in occupied Northern part of Ireland can give you more appropriate answer.
I'm not a protestant settler either. Try again. BTW before you do you should know that I despise Calvinism and the effect my former countrymen have had on that part of the world. You should also know that the Iraq war isn't exactly popular in the UK generally and that I personally regard Tony Blair as an arrogant, messianic fraud.

The moral is: Don't paint eveyone with the same brush!

[Stinger]

Probably Irish people in occupied Northern part of Ireland can give you more appropriate answer. Soooo, I suppose that all the problems in Russia are caused by the western imperialist swine?

[Stinger]

I'm not a protestant settler either. Try again. BTW before you do you should know that I despise Calvinism and the effect my former countrymen have had on that part of the world. You should also know that the Iraq war isn't exactly popular in the UK generally and that I personally regard Tony Blair as an arrogant, messianic fraud.

The moral is: Don't paint eveyone with the same brush!
And actually, I would say that less than 30% of Americans support the Iraq war as well. But don't tell that to people blinded by dogma and hate of Americans.

[psikeyhackr]

Soooo, I suppose that all the problems in Russia are caused by the western imperialist swine?

Eastern palefaces, Western palefaces, what difference does it make? This year is the 50th anniversary of Sputnik. Why couldn't the Russians have told the entire world that Western Capitalist economists couldn't do grammar school algebra right after launching the satellite? But no, they spend billions of rubles on nuclear weapons and ICBMs and risk blowing up the planet and we still have the incompetent Westerners ignoring all of that depreciation. The Russians were so smart. :devil1:

psik

[JamesBannon]

And actually, I would say that less than 30% of Americans support the Iraq war as well. But don't tell that to people blinded by dogma and hate of Americans.
Curious I thought it was a bit more than that though I knew that the majority didn't. In the UK generally it is about the same as Tony Blair's approval rating (< 20%).

[Stinger]

Curious I thought it was a bit more than that though I knew that the majority didn't. In the UK generally it is about the same as Tony Blair's approval rating (< 20%). I was against the war since day one. I would say that initial support for the war was around 70%. Bush successfully convinced the American public that Iraq posted a direct threat to the US and that Saddam was behind 9-11. As these issues were exposed, support has plummeted.

[IsItJustMe]

I was against the war since day one. I would say that initial support for the war was around 70%. Bush successfully convinced the American public that Iraq posted a direct threat to the US and that Saddam was behind 9-11. As these issues were exposed, support has plummeted.

This is a very important point. Most Americans supported the Iraq war because they were mistaken about several key facts. It wasn't a matter of their moral compasses being off -- or at least it wasn't entirely that. Partly it was a matter of being confused. Ignorance and misinformation, rather than moral failing.

[JamesBannon]

I was against the war since day one. I would say that initial support for the war was around 70%. Bush successfully convinced the American public that Iraq posted a direct threat to the US and that Saddam was behind 9-11. As these issues were exposed, support has plummeted.
Yeah TB tried that here too among other rather dubious tactics such as claiming that Iraq had chemical weapons that could be used within 40 minutes. Of course he neglected to mention the rather glaring fact that MI5 / MI6 meant battlefield, i.e. tactical as opposed to strategic, weapons and the fact that it was the Western powers who supplied him with the things in the first place. That plus dubious connections with Al Quaeda when even the CIA didn't think that one was possible. Then of course there was the systematic undermining of the weapons inspectorate that went on, bugging the then UN secretary general and so forth. He then had the gall in his retiral speech at his constituency to say he didn't regret the decision, oh and before that "that god would be my judge". This from a man who sent our young people off to war on the basis of a deliberate lie.

[Stinger]

This is a very important point. Most Americans supported the Iraq war because they were mistaken about several key facts. It wasn't a matter of their moral compasses being off -- or at least it wasn't entirely that. Partly it was a matter of being confused. Ignorance and misinformation, rather than moral failing. You can get a people to do just about anything if you scare them enough.

[JamesBannon]

Michael Portillo (ex Tory MP who ran for the leadership of the Tory party after John Major got the boot) was on the TV today and he said something interesting about the euphamisms politicians use to describe war. He ended with the statement that "sometimes it is better to call a spade a spade". Good for him (though I don't usually agree with Tories).

[psikeyhackr]

You can get a people to do just about anything if you scare them enough.

Yeah, airliners that can't possibly knock down skyscrapers in 56 minutes are SOOOO scary!

psik

[Stinger]

Yeah, airliners that can't possibly knock down skyscrapers in 56 minutes are SOOOO scary!

psik If I had thought that Iraq was behind the 9-11 attacks I would have been all for it. However, it never made sense to me that an amoral athiest dictator would do anything to help a bunch of religious fanatics.

[cojstvo3]

This is a very important point. Most Americans supported the Iraq war because they were mistaken about several key facts. It wasn't a matter of their moral compasses being off -- or at least it wasn't entirely that. Partly it was a matter of being confused. Ignorance and misinformation, rather than moral failing.


The same as Germans were mistaken when they supported Hitler.
Another nice fascist excuse.

[Stinger]

The same as Germans were mistaken when they supported Hitler.
Another nice fascist excuse. Are all people outside of Russia fascists?

[JamesBannon]

The same as Germans were mistaken when they supported Hitler.
Another nice fascist excuse.
You're at it again! Not all Germans supported the Nazis during WWII.

[TySixtus]

Hahaha... You don't seriously think that Russians wait in line for five hours to buy toilet paper, do you?

Not now they don't. I wonder why that is? And before I get a link showing me how great and wonderful shit was in communist Russia, one of my best friend's parents lived in Russia until 1992. Her dad is an especially nice guy (he is a language professor) and he has made it abundantly clear what a shithole his former country was. Yes, he did wait in line for 5 hours to buy toilet paper and bread, and get turned away at the end of it all.

He has a saying about communism: "They pretended to pay me, and I pretended to work." (Before he taught Russian here in the US, he was a factory foreman.)

Ty

[toth8]

Probably Irish people in occupied Northern part of Ireland can give you more appropriate answer.

Oh please.... The majority of people in Ulster WANT to remain British.

[JamesBannon]

Oh please.... The majority of people in Ulster WANT to remain British.
That's debatable. What is certain that the vast majority of people in Northern Ireland were pissed off with sectarian violence.

[Neo-Nietzschean]

Anglo-Saxon Victorian Fascism? I've never heard this term. But what is being described by the OP has been known by non-whites as White Supremacy. By far the most evil ideology the human mind has ever invented. The OP only desribes the more overt manifestations of this ideology, but white supremacy is so pervasive in our modern civilization that to speak out against it and its various aspects would strike one as being counter-intuitive.

[Neo-Nietzschean]

This is a very important point. Most Americans supported the Iraq war because they were mistaken about several key facts. It wasn't a matter of their moral compasses being off -- or at least it wasn't entirely that. Partly it was a matter of being confused. Ignorance and misinformation, rather than moral failing.

Depends upon which Americans you ask. Black Americans have never been confused or mistaken about Iraq. No matter how good Bush was at "spittin' game," the majority of black Americans were against it since day one.

As a side note:

Black Americans find the notion of America "losing it moral compass," to be exceptionally insulting. Such mythological notions about American society paper over the genocide of America's native populations, the enslavement and intentional disenfranchisement of black Americans and the many wars of aggression prosecuted by America against non-white populations since the dawn of the 20th century. The US never had any moral compass, so it's about time Americans stop acting like it did.

[psikeyhackr]

Black Americans find the notion of America "losing it moral compass," to be exceptionally insulting.

Is he implying that the delusional American Borg never had a moral compass?

Why does he need to explain that the US has the moral high ground of Death Valley? :devil1:

psik

[John the Baathist]

Looks someone is out of touch with present reality. There is no communism and Stalinism in Russia any more the same that there is no slavery ( well better ask their black population ) in Britain and USA any more.

Danger Will Robinson! Warning! My humor chip appears to be malfunctioning...
The joke referred to, that because of similarities in government between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, like:

- Single-party state which mobilizes the populations in support of the official state ideology.
- Widespread use of terror tactics.
- Intolerance of activities not directed towards the goals of the state.
- Repression or state control of business, labor unions or political parties.
- Propaganda and personality cults disseminated through the state-controlled mass media.
- Regulation and restriction of free discussion and criticism.

The Communist Party had to somehow prevent these similarities of becoming painfully obvious to the Russian people.
Because of that, the Russian people were presented with a cartoon definition of fascism.
One which is not dissimilar to the definition of fascism you use here.

I would like to discuss this further but I have to go lynch some negroes now. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes) :wave:

[Demigawd]

Hip-hip-hooray for Russian non-fascism:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/05/27/russia.gayrights.reut/index.html

[JamesBannon]

Danger Will Robinson! Warning! My humor chip appears to be malfunctioning...
The joke referred to, that because of similarities in government between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, like:

- Single-party state which mobilizes the populations in support of the official state ideology.
- Widespread use of terror tactics.
- Intolerance of activities not directed towards the goals of the state.
- Repression or state control of business, labor unions or political parties.
- Propaganda and personality cults disseminated through the state-controlled mass media.
- Regulation and restriction of free discussion and criticism.

The Communist Party had to somehow prevent these similarities of becoming painfully obvious to the Russian people.
Because of that, the Russian people were presented with a cartoon definition of fascism.
One which is not dissimilar to the definition of fascism you use here.

I would like to discuss this further but I have to go lynch some negroes now. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes) :wave:
> 20 million dead during WWII is hardly a cartoon version of fascism! Perhaps you mean Mussolini or Moseley?

[John the Baathist]

20 million dead during WWII is hardly a cartoon version of fascism! Perhaps you mean Mussolini or Moseley?

I have no idea what you're implying.
The OP's defines fascism as a form of Social Darwinism along with a lot of other nonsense.

The reason I gave for this muddled definition is that the most defining characteristics of fascism are similar to Stalinism.
So in Russia these similarities were and are ignored and the emphasis is placed on secondary traits like Social Darwinism.
Combine this with descriptions of fascists as mad dogs who foam at the mouth and you have a cartoon definition of fascism.


Similarities between Fascism and Stalinism;
- Single-party state which mobilizes the populations in support of the official state ideology.
- Widespread use of terror tactics.
- Intolerance of activities not directed towards the goals of the state.
- Repression or state control of business, labor unions or political parties.
- Propaganda and personality cults disseminated through the state-controlled mass media.
- Regulation and restriction of free discussion and criticism.

What that has to do with a body count, Moseley and Mussolini, I have absolutely no idea.