Fascism and Catholicism

[torquemada]

You have heard it said that the Anglican church is the Tory party at prayer. I think the Catholic church is the Fascist party at prayer.

Another way of saying this:

Catholicism is an early version of Fascism.

Another way:Fascism is a late version of Catholicism.

[ravenscape]

In what way?

[RareBird]

American evangelicalism is worse. Catholicism is declining in influence and often its services are more about tradition and ceremony without much in the way of political rhetoric. Evangelicalism is wrapped up in steadily "demonizing" enemies and crying persecution--most if not all of which is imagined. They are the ones with real ambitions to make America a place where religion and law are one in the same--thus with them in power. They deserve more the facist label.

[torquemada]

Both are authoritarian, deny the worth of individual thought, are obscurantist, try to restore a lost past which never was, and are inclined towards persecution. The term christofascist is quite apropos -- even more so than islamofascist.

[gargoyle]

fascist parties in spain and italy had the support of the catholic church as the protestant churches supported the nazi's in germany. Fascism and religious hierarchies have similar beliefs, interests, motivations, and methods. That being said - people of deep faith (catholics and protestants) stood against the fascists in europe as well.

[Lógos Sokratikós]

You have heard it said that the Anglican church is the Tory party at prayer. I think the Catholic church is the Fascist party at prayer.

Another way of saying this:

Catholicism is an early version of Fascism.

Another way:Fascism is a late version of Catholicism.

A hyperbole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole) if I've ever seen one.
Sounds like "Communism is the logical consequence of atheism".


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P.S.> I hate the way this word is pronounced in English. "Hyperbole" sounds like "Superdome". Eeeghhh!

[Lógos Sokratikós]

fascist parties in spain and italy had the support of the catholic church as the protestant churches supported the nazi's in germany. Fascism and religious hierarchies have similar beliefs, interests, motivations, and methods. That being said - people of deep faith (catholics and protestants) stood against the fascists in europe as well.

Yes. Religious hierarchies support those who serve their goals (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=4491775#post4491775). But not everyone in the religion. Some people read their scriptures as if they said "Love one another" or "love thine enemies".

If only the Holy Spirit did guide them as they nitwittedly believe.

[Ghostdog]

They both preach hate, racism, evil, and destruction desguised as love, compassion, and a utopian society (heaven and Germania for example.)

[mac_philo]

P.S.> I hate the way this word is pronounced in English. "Hyperbole" sounds like "Superdome". Eeeghhh!

That is not the correct English pronunciation. Where do you hear this?

[Lógos Sokratikós]

That is not the correct English pronunciation. Where do you hear this?

Ah you're right. I just heard the answers.com audio. RELIEF! I misinterpreted the pronunciation thingies. I'm used to IPA.

[΄ləu.gəus sə.kræ.ti.΄kəus]
Aah, shucks! Doesn't admit schwa thingies.

[wallflower1996]

There is a link between fascism and European Catholicism, but they are not different versions of the same thing. Theoretically, Catholicism is internationalist in its perspective, something no fascist party would ever be.

[Sarpedon]

It was my impression that the Catholic church fostered fascism as an alternative to both communism and democracy after its old political system-monarchy, bit the big one after the first world war.

I remember hearing about a papal bull in 1905 denouncing democracy, in particular the idea that everyone has a right to choose their own religion.

[torquemada]

Many Catholics looks for a third way between capitalism (liberalism) and socialism; they found it in Fascism. It was easy since both blamed the jews for everything bad.

[enoch007]

In what way?


They are both religious mafias, substitute the "Great Leader" in Fascism for the Pope and you still have "The Godfather".

[enoch007]

There is a link between fascism and European Catholicism, but they are not different versions of the same thing. Theoretically, Catholicism is internationalist in its perspective, something no fascist party would ever be.

Both are internationalist in a hegemonic sense.

[Mike Rosoft]

I don't know about any document in 1905, but in 1864 pope Pius IX issued his "Syllabus of errors (http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/P9SYLL.HTM)". Interesting read, indeed. (Each statement in the listing is to be read as "it is an error to say that ...")


Mike Rosoft

[psikeyhackr]

If ideology is merely a rationalization of social psychology then one should trace the origin of the social psychology.

The Catholic Church was dominating the mind of European culture for centuries before Hitler and before Martin Luther. So to understand why European culture and all countries derived from it work the way they do analyze the Catholic Church. The Protestants didn't fall far from the tree.

psik