Do you think the Left should try to seduce Christians to the Dark Side?

[gnosis92]

Do you think the Left should try to seduce Christians to the Dark Side?

By Left, I mean Marxism, socialism, feminism, anti-capitalism, anti-War etc

By the Dark Side, I mean the Left.

By Christians I mean Evangelicals.

by seduce, it would involve Christian leftists using biblical passages to show the religious right are not true Christians, i.e

i.e "It's easier for a camel to go to an eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven"

During the time I was a evangelical CHristrian, I thought Christians should be involved in social justice issues, as Jesus was.
"What would Jesus do" would be answered by what the anti-War, socialist, worker's justice people are doing today, so I thought.

Most evangelicals I knew voted Republican partly due to their pro-life and anti-gay position.

It might be possible for the atheist-Left to find some common ground with Evangelicals, and seduce them away from the Republican party.

[Nitrousoxide]

Well I'd rather that the ranks of the left not increase appreciably, so no.

[gnosis92]

Well I'd rather that the ranks of the left not increase appreciably, so no.

bill gates is an atheist who believes jesus keeps the masses from revolting.

[Nitrousoxide]

Okay, that's nice.

[gnosis92]

Okay, that's nice.

why do you wish the ranks of the left not swell? there's quite a bit of social unrest and political dissidence fomenting over war in Iraq.

[Nitrousoxide]

I assume those two sentences are unrelated as I cannot seem to connect them together in any meaningful way. Unless, of course, you think that because there's a lot of social unrest and political dissidence fomenting over Iraq, I should want the ranks of the left to swell. That's of course a ridiculous argument, so that can't be what you mean.

As to why I wish them to fail to swell? I don't agree with the views offered by most if not all of the left's ideological stances so having the number of people who I believe to be in the wrong stay at the same level or decreasing rather than increasing would be pleasing to me.

Nothing terribly shocking there.

[Preno]

I am a left-atheistsSorry to be both a bit OT and nitpicky, but what the hell is the matter with you, polls, an inappropriate plural endings? In like every other poll, some option has the form "I'm a leftists"?
I'm a nontheists and yesI'm a leftists, and I accept capitalism.I am not a leftists. (i.e Marxist, feminist, socialist, progressive)I have studied both micro and marco economics at the University, there are I have concluded that it's capitalist propaganda, I am a Marxist-leftistsetc. etc.

I mean, the very fact that I remember such a triviality would seem to demonstrate that it indeed is quite a bizarre habit.

[Marc Higbie]

My opinion is that I would just like them to lose interest and stop voting at all. The less we hear from certain groups the better.

I voted that they should stay where they are for lack of anything closer.

I refuse to trust anyone who is part of the pro-life movement, since its roots in the pro-segreation movement are so obvious (note I have no problem with people being of the pro-life opinion per se, its the movement whose odious origins offend me).

Marc

[enoch007]

what if you start out trying to seduce them and end up selling "Libre Jesus" magazines door to door

[psikeyhackr]

The Christians are the Dark Side.

But is there a Light Side?

Is Marx as out of date as Christianity?

psik

[AthenaAwakened]

Historically the group in question was left of center politically is not doctinally. Not until the southern strategy and the rise of the moral majority did the conservative envangelicals move to the repblican party.

[Odin2006]

There already are plently of religious left-wingers, especially in Latin America. Google "Christian Socialism" and "Liberation Theology"

[gnosis92]

I am a left-atheistsSorry to be both a bit OT and nitpicky, but what the hell is the matter with you, polls, an inappropriate plural endings? In like every other poll, some option has the form "I'm a leftists"?
I'm a nontheists and yesI am not a leftists. (i.e Marxist, feminist, socialist, progressive)I have studied both micro and marco economics at the University, there are I have concluded that it's capitalist propaganda, I am a Marxist-leftistsetc. etc.

I mean, the very fact that I remember such a triviality would seem to demonstrate that it indeed is quite a bizarre habit.

uve been keeping this stuff?

[gnosis92]

Historically the group in question was left of center politically is not doctinally. Not until the southern strategy and the rise of the moral majority did the conservative envangelicals move to the repblican party.

would u like 2 lure them back?

more votes for democrats and peace and against corporate greed but
possibly anti-choice, anti-evolution, anti-gay?

[Preno]

I am a left-atheistsSorry to be both a bit OT and nitpicky, but what the hell is the matter with you, polls, an inappropriate plural endings? In like every other poll, some option has the form "I'm a leftists"?

I mean, the very fact that I remember such a triviality would seem to demonstrate that it indeed is quite a bizarre habit.uve been keeping this stuff?Yeah. Also, I have a poster of you in a G-string right above my bed.

No, actualy, I just did a quick search for your polls.

[Canard DuJour]

I am a left-atheistsSorry to be both a bit OT and nitpicky, but what the hell is the matter with you, polls, an inappropriate plural endings? In like every other poll, some option has the form "I'm a leftists"?
I'm a nontheists and yesI am not a leftists. (i.e Marxist, feminist, socialist, progressive)I have studied both micro and marco economics at the University, there are I have concluded that it's capitalist propaganda, I am a Marxist-leftistsetc. etc.

I mean, the very fact that I remember such a triviality would seem to demonstrate that it indeed is quite a bizarre habit.

I am a left-atheists and yes I thought it was bizarre too. No offence, gnosis.

[untermensche]

Seduction is used by those with ulterior motivations.

And discussions of Biblical passages by those who put no special weight in the Bible is absurd.

[Marduk]

Not capitalizing on the clearly Marxist philosophy of Christianity was a huge mistake on the part of the former USSR and all atheist/Marxist movements. These people have no grasp on marketing. They played right into the hands of the Rightist Capitalists by actually being Godless Commies who wouldn’t let you ‘worship at the church of your choice’ OTOH the hijacking of Christianity by the rich and powerful was the greatest propaganda coup of all time. Kudos

[JamesBannon]

I can't see me seeing eye-to-eye with Christian evangelicals. Too right wing for my taste.

[Storico]

Those of us who are left wing are there for very good reasons -- we feel a call to social justice and action, and most of us don't have a very strong religious backing. I know some evangelicals who ARE on "the Christian left", and that's GREAT. They tend to be very involved with social justice issues.. ie, helping the poor, the disabled, etc, and a lot of the ones I know work directly with those in need in some capacity, usually. I wouldn't try and "drag over" anyone who didn't want to be here, though. I myself am a leftist (if you're Canadian, you'll understand me when I say I vote NDP). I believe in everyone having a free say. I don't want to hear less from the evangelicals. I want everyone to get their behinds to the polls to vote for what matters to them. Very few do. We're lucky if we get a 55% or 60% poll turn out, and the highest we had in a long while was a 68% turnout. So, yeah. I'm to the left because I'm happy with that sort of political framework. I don't understand right wing politics very well, and those who would like to stay to the right wing are welcome to.

I'll say one thing, though. I'd like to get information out to people about why left-wing politics are appealing. When I tell someone how I vote, I usually get the "oh, you're far left like communist or whatever, eh?" -- nooo.... no, I'm not. Sigh.

[Hooboy !!]

I can't see me seeing eye-to-eye with Christian evangelicals. Too right wing for my taste.
You know what is funny about this statement? Fundamentalist Christianity, such as the Amish, are very socialist.

[JamesBannon]

Amish aren't evangelicals.

[Febble]

Well, how about these guys:

http://www.streetprophets.com/

[Hooboy !!]

Amish aren't evangelicals.
They are both fundamentalists.

[AthenaAwakened]

Some evangelicals are liberal

[Ghostdog]

There is always time to leave madness for truth.

[B.S. Lewis]

I refuse to trust anyone who is part of the pro-life movement, since its roots in the pro-segreation movement are so obvious (note I have no problem with people being of the pro-life opinion per se, its the movement whose odious origins offend me).

Care to elaborate or link to something?

I can't see me seeing eye-to-eye with Christian evangelicals. Too right wing for my taste.
You know what is funny about this statement? Fundamentalist Christianity, such as the Amish, are very socialist.

It is quite amusing to watch you all see who can politically distance himself the farthest from Christians. :)