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premjan
May 31, 2007, 05:06 AM
This was a thought triggered by untermensche's observation that judges should be elected by a democratic process rather than appointed.

It seems to me that organizations can in some cases be distinguished based on whether the individuals composing them are all essentially doing similar jobs or different onces. For instance a firm of lawyers consists mainly of lawyers. There will be some support staff for administration etc. but generally speaking I presume that most of them will be actually certified to practice law. Again, a research lab will consist mainly of PhD holding practicing scientists or engineers. This is what strikes me as more of a guild-based or specialities-centric organization. I think doctor certification takes place through guild-style organizations, and they decide what are the standards of skill a doctor has to meet.

Then there is the other kind of organization - a general corporation for instance or a government office. There will be people of more diverse skills. The boss may be e.g. someone from marketing, if profit is the driving motive. There will be specialists too, but they may play a smaller role, unless their skills are for some reason, not a commodity. The CEO could easily detach himself or herself from this organization and go on to head another organization whose speciality is rather different - e.g. the CEO of (say) Boeing could perhaps without great difficulty, go and become the CEO of Coca Cola Corp.

Is there any discussion of the different types of organizations in, say, organizational theory texts? Theoretically all organizations could be skills-centric though probably the commercial aspects would end up suffering to an extent.

coloradoatheist
May 31, 2007, 05:12 AM
I'm not exactly sure what you are asking and it's been a while since I had the organizational theory class.


Mike

premjan
May 31, 2007, 05:24 AM
I guess a little bit of compare and contrast really - I think people of different professions tend to have different points of view, and marrying these in a single organization is always a bit troublesome. Then again guild-style organizations tend to have nepotism problems I think.

coloradoatheist
May 31, 2007, 05:30 AM
I guess a little bit of compare and contrast really - I think people of different professions tend to have different points of view, and marrying these in a single organization is always a bit troublesome. Then again guild-style organizations tend to have nepotism problems I think.

It depends on how the company was started and how sucessful they are. A guild may start just as one or two people doing the job and find out that they don't have the skills or time to do everything and they hire another person to do the job instead. If it becomes succesful then a new structure gets created.

Mike

untermensche
May 31, 2007, 07:25 AM
Organizations in the US are almost always top down heirarchies, with the specialists, the scientists, the inovators, the inventors, working below, taking direction from, a nonspecialist general managerial class.

The top down heirarchy is just one type of organization, but it dominates so dramatically.

There are some nonheirarchical organizations in the US also. Democratically run organizations as opposed to top down.

This is IMO a better way to start looking at organizations, a more general way to start looking at them.

coloradoatheist
May 31, 2007, 07:31 AM
Organizations in the US are almost always top down heirarchies, with the specialists, the scientists, the inovators, the inventors, working below, taking direction from, a nonspecialist general managerial class.

The top down heirarchy is just one type of organization, but it dominates so dramatically.

There are some nonheirarchical organizations in the US also. Democratically run organizations as opposed to top down.

This is IMO a better way to start looking at organizations, a more general way to start looking at them.

And that is discussed and looked at, at least in my school. The best example is GoreTex. However each organizational method has it's advantages and drawbacks and premjan have discussed these in the past.

Mike

untermensche
May 31, 2007, 07:36 AM
And that is discussed and looked at, at least in my school. The best example is GoreTex. However each organizational method has it's advantages and drawbacks and premjan have discussed these in the past.

Mike
I'm sure most of what I could say on anything has been said many times before by many others.