The Chinese system!

[Perahelion]

How is the Chinese system that much different from that normally accepted in the west, all that is missing surely is just the final national poll at the end, a choice usually between two men.

At the grass roots any Chinese politician has to start at the bottom and work their way up by patronage, if after possibly one of the most gruelling and long life serving apprentices imaginable they are in a position to undergo the final scrutiny of their colleagues and assume a national or international responsibility then so be it, the national population has as much say in it as it does in the United States, family and political connections also play a big role.

If that were not the case the same two families would not have dominated American politics for going on 20 years.

I would postulate that the difference between the American and Chinese systems is inconsequential, in the end the best connected and hard working will win.

China is not now communist after all, in some ways they are to be envied, they are able to clamp down on weirdos like the Falong Gong, general criminals and public anarchist desenters like the rabble who disrupt every international financial summit without qualm.

Long live the death penalty.

[Bonniedundee]

I would postulate that the difference between the American and Chinese systems is inconsequential, in the end the best connected and hard working will win. You contradict yourself, you claim the hardest working and the best connected will win. This is a contradiction.

Both systems suck.

Anarchy is order!

[bardo]

mmmk then.....

[EricK]

I would postulate that the difference between the American and Chinese systems is inconsequential, in the end the best connected and hard working will win. You contradict yourself, you claim the hardest working and the best connected will win. This is a contradiction.


It's no more a contradiction than to say that the people who make it right to the very top in any sport are the most talented and hard working. Or maybe you think that that too is a contradiction (even though it seems to be true!).

[Bonniedundee]

It's no more a contradiction than to say that the people who make it right to the very top in any sport are the most talented and hard working. Or maybe you think that that too is a contradiction (even though it seems to be true!).He said the best connected and the hardest working, it is very rarely the hardest working who are the best connected in fact as a rule it is the other way around.

[Cogitate]

It's no more a contradiction than to say that the people who make it right to the very top in any sport are the most talented and hard working. Or maybe you think that that too is a contradiction (even though it seems to be true!).He said the best connected and the hardest working, it is very rarely the hardest working who are the best connected in fact as a rule it is the other way around.

One might postulate that it is those who work hardest at making and exploiting the right kind of connections that are politically succesful in any system.

Otherwise the accident of birth would be sufficient to attain power. Excepting monarchies (and even they frequently circumvent direct succession) this does not appear to be the case.

Cogitate

[Preno]

Since when is being a "weirdo" a crime?

[psikeyhackr]

Is it different from trying to rise at IBM?

psik

[Vandeervecken]

China is not now communist after all, in some ways they are to be envied, they are able to clamp down on weirdos like the Falong Gong, general criminals and public anarchist desenters like the rabble who disrupt every international financial summit without qualm.

Long live the death penalty.

Why are those who practice Falong Gong any more weirdos than those who follow any other religion? Since when is quashing dissent an admirable trait?

[Perahelion]

China is not now communist after all, in some ways they are to be envied, they are able to clamp down on weirdos like the Falong Gong, general criminals and public anarchist desenters like the rabble who disrupt every international financial summit without qualm.

Long live the death penalty.

Why are those who practice Falong Gong any more weirdos than those who follow any other religion? Since when is quashing dissent an admirable trait?

Quashing dissent is an admirable trait when the dissent is practiced by anarchist rabble who are simply mad or aggrieved because they didn't have the work ethic, determination or intelligence to make something of themselves in the world they grew up in.

[Vandeervecken]

Why are those who practice Falong Gong any more weirdos than those who follow any other religion? Since when is quashing dissent an admirable trait?

Quashing dissent is an admirable trait when the dissent is practiced by anarchist rabble who are simply mad or aggrieved because they didn't have the work ethic, determination or intelligence to make something of themselves in the world they grew up in.

I see so all those who disagree with you, should be quashed. Thank you for this admirably complete example of why dissent should be protected. Only petty thugs fear dissent.

I notice also you failed to answer my first question about Falong Gong, why are they any more weird than Roman Catholics or Hindus?

[Bonniedundee]

Quashing dissent is an admirable trait when the dissent is practiced by anarchist rabble who are simply mad or aggrieved because they didn't have the work ethic, determination or intelligence to make something of themselves in the world they grew up in.It is not an admirable trait, I'm sure if the state happened to not like your lifestyle choice and "quashed" you, you wouldn't be so happy about it.

I notice on another thread you wrote a love poem to German soldiers during World war II, you don't having anything to declare in the way of your political orientation, do you?

Anarchy is order!

[Perahelion]

Quashing dissent is an admirable trait when the dissent is practiced by anarchist rabble who are simply mad or aggrieved because they didn't have the work ethic, determination or intelligence to make something of themselves in the world they grew up in.It is not an admirable trait, I'm sure if the state happened to not like your lifestyle choice and "quashed" you, you wouldn't be so happy about it.

I notice on another thread you wrote a love poem to German soldiers during World war II, you don't having anything to declare in the way of your political orientation, do you?

Anarchy is order!

Anarchy is crap, western society (which China increasingly is) is precious and deserves to be protected, believe me no one is going to outlaw my lifestyle and no anarchist is going to ruin it.

Anarchy is order! How ridiculous. <edit>

[Bonniedundee]

Anarchy is crap, western society (which China increasingly is) is precious and deserves to be protected, believe me no one is going to outlaw my lifestyle But it is fine for you to ban others? <edit>

Anarchy is order! How ridiculous. Are you one of the ones who can't make something of yourself in this society? <edit>

[Arch]

It is not an admirable trait, I'm sure if the state happened to not like your lifestyle choice and "quashed" you, you wouldn't be so happy about it.

I notice on another thread you wrote a love poem to German soldiers during World war II, you don't having anything to declare in the way of your political orientation, do you?

Anarchy is order!

Anarchy is crap, western society (which China increasingly is) is precious and deserves to be protected, believe me no one is going to outlaw my lifestyle and no anarchist is going to ruin it.

Anarchy is order! How ridiculous. <edit>

What do you mean by "make something of yourself in this society?" I would enjoy reading some exact figures and terms.

[Jay GW]

once you're hired in the chinese system, you can't be fired
the local political group makes decisions for business
chinese officials aren't elected by the public

[yinyang]

The diff between the Chinese and American systems is massive. Both have good and bad traits. Heres one of the "little" differneces. Freedom of the press!
All the info you get out of China is highly suspect. How do you know that the people have the same influence in both cultures? The Chinese have much less of an idea about whats really going on in their government than western peoples, and neither do we for that matter. Granted they are becomming more western all the time, and are much more open than they used to be, but its still a far cry from the west.

How many innocent people are executed, jailed or otherwise oppressed due to the rapid and more secretive justice system. Yeah for the death penalty!?

You say the best and hard working will win. BS. That is much more true in America and the west than in China. Not that its not true in both cultures to an extent, but the Chinese are still communist in many respects, and there is tremendous corruption.

[Loren Pechtel]

The diff between the Chinese and American systems is massive. Both have good and bad traits. Heres one of the "little" differneces. Freedom of the press!

Definitely. I gave up on reading the news over there.

All the info you get out of China is highly suspect.

Yeah--anything remotely politically sensitive and everyone toes the party line.

The Chinese have much less of an idea about whats really going on in their government than western peoples, and neither do we for that matter. Granted they are becomming more western all the time, and are much more open than they used to be, but its still a far cry from the west.

Definitely. I can understand my wife not knowing "Hiroshima" and "Nagasaki". Not knowing that the bomb had been used in war 20 years before China developed it, though...

Or the one I read about: An American engineer was over there in the 80's back before things opened up. He had a minder all the time he was there. Once the minder was off at the bathroom and he was cornered by a bunch of engineers he had been working with. It seems the censors missed a sentence--they wanted to know if it was true that America had put a man on the moon.

How many innocent people are executed, jailed or otherwise oppressed due to the rapid and more secretive justice system. Yeah for the death penalty!?

Yeah--I've heard of multiple people being executed for the same crime.

You say the best and hard working will win. BS. That is much more true in America and the west than in China. Not that its not true in both cultures to an extent, but the Chinese are still communist in many respects, and there is tremendous corruption.

The best and hardest working are more likely to win than the lazy or incompetent. It's not 100% by any means.

As for the corruption over there: Someone I know over there. He's not a very good driver, he got his license by giving the examiner a gift. He got nailed on a DUI, license suspended. He simply went down to the license bureau and a bit of a gift produced a new license.

[ravenscape]

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