Would Jesus have smoked Cannabis?

[Acetylhexene]

If it grew in the Middle East, would Jesus have celebrated it as one of God's gifts to Mankind?

[simongc]

I thought he did

[Toto]

Jesus used Cannabis (http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=42854) - the classic thread.

There is no evidence that cannabis was smoked in those days - no rolling papers? - but the theory is that it was an ingredient in the holy oil used to annoint kings.

[youngalexander]

If it grew in the Middle East, would Jesus have celebrated it as one of God's gifts to Mankind?
I read a book once by some musical fellow, and he claimed that it was all down to mushrooms!

[Toto]

Some musical fellow -John Allegro? :rolling:

The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross (http://johnallegro.org/main/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=15&MMN_position=16:4)

Sacred Mushroom and the Cross - Amazon link

[The Wheel]

If he did, I really wanna meet this Jesus guy. You think he'd share?

[djrafikie]

If he did smoke, he wouldn't have been such an asshole. no energy!
Anyway, on what planet does anyone walk into a church and throw s**t everywhere, unless they are under the influence.
I reckon he was an alcoholic delusional.

[Headache]

"Hey! Jesus-my man! What kind of bud are you smokin, dude?'
"The best chronic there is, called The Devil's Fire! Two hits and you'll feel blessed!"

[DCHindley]

So, the question boils down to this:

Would JC have preferred the "head high" of Sativa or "body high" of Indica?

Inquiring minds want to know ...

DCH

"Hey! Jesus-my man! What kind of bud are you smokin, dude?'
"The best chronic there is, called The Devil's Fire! Two hits and you'll feel blessed!"

[Toto]

This thread might be a better fit in some other forum, I think. We have standards here.

[Acetylhexene]

This thread might be a better fit in some other forum, I think. We have standards here.

It is getting a bit off topic from what I was hoping... :frown:

[Toto]

Well, what were you hoping?

[Acetylhexene]

A discussion from a Biblical-historical viewpoint on if Cannabis was explicitly referred to in the Bible as being used by it's main character/hero, and it's possible repercussions for modern-day society.

Would Cannabis have been regarded as some blessed or divine herb if it was known to the Israelites of 2000 years ago?

That's why I specifically chose this forum instead of General religious discussion. :)

[Toto]

Jesus and other Biblical heros were big on wine, so I'm not sure why they wouldn't have been equally positive about cannabis. But I'm not sure what more you could say.

[Acetylhexene]

Wine (and thus other forms of alcohol) are accepted (and even encouraged) by society, but then it would have to be as the Church would have demanded it so (having been mentioned often in the Bible). This is regardless of the long-term physiological effects of alcohol on the body.

I wonder if cannabis smoke would have been symbolised as the "Breath" that God breathed into his dust sculpture to make Adam come to life, and thus have gained equal advocation in cultures founded on the Abrahamic religions?

[Clivedurdle]

The twentieth and 21 first century prohibitions on Cannabis and heroin etc are very modern phenomena - was not Queen Victoria prescribed cannabis for child birth? Opium was widely available in various remedies.

Part of the holiness of annointing oils would have been their magical effects.

Our laws on drugs are not rational. Alcohol and tobacco have far less controls, a whole series of drugs are doctor controlled, others you end up in prison although doctors commonly use morphine.

Prohibitionist mentalities.

[Headache]

This thread might be a better fit in some other forum, I think. We have standards here.
And this thread is a clear indication of wanting to elevate those standards!

I'm sorry to say I don't know the types of stimulants used by the indigenous people of the Middle East. Do they have a history of any type of use similar to chewing coca leaves in South America? Or use of Khat?

[arnoldo]

Persons who were crucified by the Romans were frequently offered an opiate to dull the senses however, as per the scriptures, Yeshua refused to take any narcotics during the crucifiction.

[Toto]

Persons who were crucified by the Romans were frequently offered an opiate to dull the senses ....

Do you have a source for this?

[Toto]

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I'm sorry to say I don't know the types of stimulants used by the indigenous people of the Middle East. Do they have a history of any type of use similar to chewing coca leaves in South America? Or use of Khat?

If you read through the long thread Jesus used cannabis (http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=42854), there is some evidence of marijuana and drug use, but not as a stimulant - more as a medicinal herb. But there is a lot of speculation.

[apatura_iris]

Persons who were crucified by the Romans were frequently offered an opiate to dull the senses ....

Do you have a source for this?

I don't have a source, but I have read the theory that the "vinegar" offered to Jesus on the cross was actually a medicinal vinegar with a sedative or opiate of some kind in it.

[Toto]

Yes, I've read that theory, but I haven't read if there is any evidence behind it. The purpose of crucifixion seems to have been to have the victim die a painful, humiliating death. Why would the Romans palliate this with a sedative?

[arnoldo]

Persons who were crucified by the Romans were frequently offered an opiate to dull the senses ....

Do you have a source for this?

With all due respect, I'm surprised you are not asking if I have a source that the Romans actually crucified criminals ;)

[Toto]

Do you have a source for this?

With all due respect, I'm surprised you are not asking if I have a source that the Romans actually crucified criminals ;)

I see no respect there. We have extensive records of Roman crucifying criminals, especially political rebels.

Please be serious.

[arnoldo]

With all due respect, I'm surprised you are not asking if I have a source that the Romans actually crucified criminals ;)

I see no respect there. We have extensive records of Roman crucifying criminals, especially political rebels.

Please be serious.
You want me to be serious in reference to the issue of whether Jesus smoked cannabis?

*Edit* Does anyone know if it was Roman custom to break the legs of persons who were crucified in order to speed up their death?

[Toto]

...You want me to be serious in reference to the issue of whether Jesus smoked cannabis?

...

No, I SERIOUSLY want you to provide a source for your claim that the Romans provided an opiate to dull the pain of people they crucified, a subject that you brought up.

[arnoldo]

Perhaps I misunderstood Paarsurrey but he feels that Yeshua was somehow medicated so he actually didn't die on the cross and survived. . .


Hi

He didn't die on Cross. Jesus fervent prayers to GodAllh were heard and his life was saved. He was delivered from the Cross in near-dead position. He was treated for the wounds in the roomlike tomb with a ventilator and wide enough to accommodate 3/4 persons besides the injured body of Jesus. When he was strong enough to walk, he came out, was seen by many person. He went to Galilee and from their he migrated to India and died in Sirinagar, Kashmir, India at the age of 120 years according to one tradition.

Thanks

[Toto]

Perhaps I misunderstood Paarsurrey but he feels that Yeshua was somehow medicated so he actually didn't die on the cross and survived. . .


That quote does not support your assertion. Muslims and some early Christians believed that Jesus did not die on the cross, but this was for supernatural reasons or because someone else took his place, or because Christ was a spirit who left Jesus' body on the cross. There is probably someone somewhere who thinks that Jesus survived the crucifixion because he was given drugs, but the question is - is this just speculation or is there some evidence for it? It might be true, but how do we know?