Does Jesus get his jollies off by watching people die in fires?

[Half-Life]

I mean if the fire department can't get there in time, they are usually devastated that they couldn't save anyone.

Yet, there's Jesus sitting on his Godly butt on a beautiful cloud in Heaven seemingly watching these people die.

Why does Jesus allow them to die just because some humans couldn't get there in time?

He either enjoys watching people burn to death or he doesn't exist.

;)

[Stinger]

I mean if the fire department can't get there in time, they are usually devastated that they couldn't save anyone.

Yet, there's Jesus sitting on his Godly butt on a beautiful cloud in Heaven seemingly watching these people die.

Why does Jesus allow them to die just because some humans couldn't get there in time?

He either enjoys watching people burn to death or he doesn't exist.

;) We are made to suffer because Adam and Eve, 4,000 years ago, violated God's will by biting into an apple.

[Half-Life]

I mean if the fire department can't get there in time, they are usually devastated that they couldn't save anyone.

Yet, there's Jesus sitting on his Godly butt on a beautiful cloud in Heaven seemingly watching these people die.

Why does Jesus allow them to die just because some humans couldn't get there in time?

He either enjoys watching people burn to death or he doesn't exist.

;) We are made to suffer because Adam and Eve, 4,000 years ago, violated God's will by biting into an apple.

How silly of me. I forgot the most logical explanation of all:

"God has a hissy fit big enough that would make a 13 year old girl blush because someone ate his apple"

[GrahamG]

I had a discussion with someone the other day about the whole loaves and fishes thing.

I said: if you had the ability to feed hundreds, then why wouldn't you?

Same answer here: if you had the ability to save someone from burning in a fire, then why wouldn't you?

:huh:

God helps those who help themselves was the answer I got.

Christian love my rosy red a**.

[TheRealityOfMan]

So I can help myself out of hell and he'll help me. Awesome.

[ziffel]

Half-Life,

I can't tell you what a joy it is to read your deliciously deconverted posts these days!

It took years for you to get here, but it's very nice to see someone come to their senses. :thumbs:

[arnoldo]

He either enjoys watching people burn to death or he doesn't exist.

;) The PoE is bunk.

[GenesisNemesis]

The PoE is bunk.

That's not what he was talking about. At least, not directly. The PoE does its job, anyways. I think the Free Will Argument is more bunk.

[Half-Life]

He either enjoys watching people burn to death or he doesn't exist.

;) The PoE is bunk.


It's not a problem of evil. It's just wondering what Jesus is so preoccupied with these days that he can't save someone from a burning fire.

If the firemen stood outside a burning building eating hamburgers and hot dogs, I think most people would be yelling at them to do something and calling them heartless. if the firemen said, "hey, we work in mysterious ways, we need our food," they might get punched in the face by onlookers.

I will never understand why the big cheese Jeebus gets a free pass. He must have awfully good food in Heaven. :D

[GenesisNemesis]

If the firemen stood outside a burning building eating hamburgers and hot dogs, I think most people would be yelling at them to do something and calling them heartless. if the firemen said, "hey, we work in mysterious ways, we need our food," they might get punched in the face by onlookers.


:notworthy:

[makerowner]

Hi Half-Life, haven't seen you around recently. I disagree with GenesisNemesis: I think this is a form of the POE. When you ask about specific events rather than just "evil" in general, I think it really brings out the ridiculousness of the "mysterious ways" or "free will" arguments.

[arnoldo]

When you ask about specific events rather than just "evil" in general, I think it really brings out the ridiculousness of the "mysterious ways" or "free will" arguments.

What is so ridiculous about "free will?" In this "hypothetical fire scenario there are many possible variables (due to human free will/making poor decisions) which may lead to a fire hazard such as ;
1. Poor construction/electrical wiring
2. Lack of smoke alarms/fire extinguishers
3. Overloading electricity plugs.
4. Lack of safety precautions,ie, storing combustible materials near heat sources.
5. Poor emergency response
6. Poor supervision of children,ie, playing with matches
etc,etc,etc

[curby]

What is so ridiculous about "free will?" In this "hypothetical fire scenario there are many possible variables (due to human free will/making poor decisions) which may lead to a fire hazard such as ;
1. Poor construction/electrical wiring
2. Lack of smoke alarms/fire extinguishers
3. Overloading electricity plugs.
4. Lack of safety precautions,ie, storing combustible materials near heat sources.
5. Poor emergency response
6. Poor supervision of children,ie, playing with matches
etc,etc,etc

So what you're saying is that humans are imperfect, they make mistakes, and if those mistakes cause people to die, then it's their own damn fault; and god being much wiser and more powerful than them, that can predict and prevent their deaths can't be held responsible?

By analogy:
4-year olds are imperfect, they make mistakes, if they play in the street and get run over by a truck, then it's their own damn fault; and their parents being much wiser and more powerful than them, that can predict and prevent their deaths can't be held responsible.

[temporalillusion]

Most of the people who are evangelicals that I know resolve this by saying that God isn't omnipotent. He doesn't rescue the people in the burning building because he can't (unless someone uses their faith in prayer to enable God to do something).

God's limited his own sovereignty on this planet is their reasoning. At least that's logically consistent, and of course they can produce scripture to support the view.

[Half-Life]

When you ask about specific events rather than just "evil" in general, I think it really brings out the ridiculousness of the "mysterious ways" or "free will" arguments.

What is so ridiculous about "free will?" In this "hypothetical fire scenario there are many possible variables (due to human free will/making poor decisions) which may lead to a fire hazard such as ;
1. Poor construction/electrical wiring
2. Lack of smoke alarms/fire extinguishers
3. Overloading electricity plugs.
4. Lack of safety precautions,ie, storing combustible materials near heat sources.
5. Poor emergency response
6. Poor supervision of children,ie, playing with matches
etc,etc,etc

But why would Jeebus let those things happen? Wouldn't he know if people are putting up faulty wiring and construction? I think, Jesus as a contractor wouldn't make it very far in the business. Wasn't he into carpentry anyway? :confused:

[Half-Life]

He either enjoys watching people burn to death or he doesn't exist.

;) The PoE is bunk.

Well, even if it is bunk, then it just means that a God who doesn't give a shit might still exist.

I know Deists believe in a God who doesn't give a shit.

and saying, "Jesus does give a shit, he just doesn't do anything" isn't a valid answer.

[makerowner]

When you ask about specific events rather than just "evil" in general, I think it really brings out the ridiculousness of the "mysterious ways" or "free will" arguments.

What is so ridiculous about "free will?"

I didn't say that free will is ridiculous (that's a different question); I said that the free will defense is ridiculous.