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GenesisNemesis
June 3, 2008, 01:45 PM
And I have to say, it's very disturbing as well as enlightening. So many things I never know about the world!

Has anyone else read it? Thoughts? Opinions?
LeoM
June 3, 2008, 02:09 PM
Are you jumping ship to the view that quantum physics is at the basis of consciousness?

take a look at this

http://twm.co.nz/herbert.htm
GenesisNemesis
June 3, 2008, 02:19 PM
No, not really. The book seems rather neutral so far.
premjan
June 3, 2008, 02:40 PM
It may be that consciousness is a link to the fundamental interconnectedness of quantum reality - i.e. a total nonlocality from which locality then emerges in some way. This would tend to reinforce the views of mystics.
Abel
June 3, 2008, 04:32 PM
Are you jumping ship to the view that quantum physics is at the basis of consciousness?

take a look at this

http://twm.co.nz/herbert.htm

Quantum mechanics "is at the basis of" everything, Leo!
Abel
June 3, 2008, 04:34 PM
It may be that consciousness is a link to the fundamental interconnectedness of quantum reality - i.e. a total nonlocality from which locality then emerges in some way. This would tend to reinforce the views of mystics.

Et tu, brute? I thought surely you were in the science camp.
LeoM
June 3, 2008, 04:36 PM
It may be that consciousness is a link to the fundamental interconnectedness of quantum reality - i.e. a total nonlocality from which locality then emerges in some way. This would tend to reinforce the views of mystics.

Et tu, brute? I thought surely you were in the science camp.

Lol so I reject science I don't think i ever said that just because I don't think naturalism can explain everything doesn't mean i hate science.
Grokes
June 3, 2008, 04:43 PM
And I have to say, it's very disturbing as well as enlightening. So many things I never know about the world!

Has anyone else read it? Thoughts? Opinions?

I ordered it just the other day, do don't tell me how it ends. I just hope it wasn't the butler that did and simultaneously didn't do it.
Abel
June 3, 2008, 04:43 PM
Et tu, brute? I thought surely you were in the science camp.

Lol so I reject science I don't think i ever said that just because I don't think naturalism can explain everything doesn't mean i hate science.

Um, Leo, my friend, you didn't make the post to which I referred. I was referring to premjan. I already know that you are in the science camp. And hard core at that!:D
LeoM
June 3, 2008, 05:01 PM
Lol so I reject science I don't think i ever said that just because I don't think naturalism can explain everything doesn't mean i hate science.

Um, Leo, my friend, you didn't make the post to which I referred. I was referring to premjan. I already know that you are in the science camp. And hard core at that!:D

Lol I know that :wave:
premjan
June 3, 2008, 05:02 PM
It may be that consciousness is a link to the fundamental interconnectedness of quantum reality - i.e. a total nonlocality from which locality then emerges in some way. This would tend to reinforce the views of mystics.

Et tu, brute? I thought surely you were in the science camp.
I am - it might turn out to be science, I don't think anyone knows for sure yet. This is what Nick Herbert is suggesting anyway.
Shadowy Man
June 3, 2008, 05:15 PM
Quantum mechanics "is at the basis of" everything, Leo!

Or at least the basis of many physics textbooks.
Bartender
June 3, 2008, 05:27 PM
I went through a "I gotta know everything about quantum mechanics" phase several years ago. I still have the headache. I could never wrap my puny little pile of gray matter around how a particle an infinite distance from another was somehow connected to the other....
:Cheeky:
premjan
June 3, 2008, 05:30 PM
That's exactly the thing about QM - it explodes the notion of distance. At some level, the universe is non-extensional.
Dirge
June 3, 2008, 05:37 PM
I wonder what Harry Houdini wrote down, for his wife to verify that she had been contacted from the other side? Was it "In an Infinity?"
Alex MacDonald
June 3, 2008, 07:35 PM
And I have to say, it's very disturbing as well as enlightening. So many things I never know about the world!

Has anyone else read it? Thoughts? Opinions?

I read the book quite a few years ago...and, as I recall, it was a very good read.
Abel
June 3, 2008, 08:37 PM
Um, Leo, my friend, you didn't make the post to which I referred. I was referring to premjan. I already know that you are in the science camp. And hard core at that!:D

Lol I know that :wave:

Mmkay.
Abel
June 3, 2008, 08:38 PM
Quantum mechanics "is at the basis of" everything, Leo!

Or at least the basis of many physics textbooks.

And of the people who read them, and of the people who dispute them...:)
Abel
June 3, 2008, 08:49 PM
HERBERT: Particles aren't even particles anymore. That's one of the connections with consciousness -- that the solidity of matter is dissolving away in light of these theories, and becoming more and more like the fuzziness that's inside our heads.

Sorry, dudes. I gotta call the guy a philosophical maroon, in the words of Bugs Bunny.