Alaska Air

[ohwilleke]

I flew to and from Seattle last week on Alaska Air. I was quite peeved that they choose to include a Psalm in every lunch basket. Aargh! I do not want to fly with an airline that is relying on an invisible friend to prevent a crash.

I sent a comment through their website (Basically, I was irked, I will prefer another airline in the future), although I didn't have the foresight to save it before I sent it.

[ August 06, 2002: Message edited by: ohwilleke ]</p>

[HomerOfBorg]

[quote]Originally posted by ohwilleke:
[QB]I flew to and from Seattle last week on Alaska Air. I was quite peeved that they choose to include a Psalm in every lunch basket. Aargh!
QB]<hr></blockquote>

Wow. Now I know to be prepared for that.

Hand a flight attendant the Psalm back with a Post-It Note of Numbers 31:17-18 on the way out.

[recovering xtian]

I travel quite a bit with my job. Thanks for the heads up...I will make sure that I steer clear of Alaska Air.

rx

[recovering xtian]

[quote]Originally posted by ohwilleke:
<strong>I was quite peeved that they choose to include a Psalm in every lunch basket. Aargh! I do not want to fly with an airline that is relying on an invisible friend to prevent a crash.
[ August 06, 2002: Message edited by: ohwilleke ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

This is a little off topic, but I thought you might chuckle. I was having a religious discussion with a friend at work today. She was lecturing me on the importance of faith.

[quote] If Faith could be comprehended by Reason;
It would no longer be wonderful.

And Faith would have no Merit if Reason provided Proof.

So all the more reason to, "Keep the Faith". <hr></blockquote>
:rolleyes:

She used an analogy of flying on an airplane. I will paraphrase, "You get on an airplane, but you don't understand how it takes off, flies through the air and then lands. BUT you have FAITH that it will, so you get on the plane."

roflmao

For obvious reasons, I won't elaborate any further on the conversation! :rolleyes:

[Blinn]

I've had a similar experience with another company and likewise, have decided not to give them any more business. I purchased some items at work from <a href="http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/default.asp" target="_blank">United States Plastic Corp.</a>, and they arrived with a tract explaining why this guy is a creationist. With a little more probing of their website, I came across <a href="http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/uspgodowns.asp" target="_blank">this</a>. In the future, I'll requisition from a company that doesn't proselytize.

[Queen of Swords]

Co-worker, trying to convert me : When you get on to a plane, whom do you put your trust in?
Me : The pilot.
Co-worker : Okay, whom does the pilot put his trust in?
Me : The laws of aerodynamics.
Co-worker : ...

[d'naturalist]

[quote]Originally posted by recovering xtian:
<strong>She used an analogy of flying on an airplane. I will paraphrase, "You get on an airplane, but you don't understand how it takes off, flies through the air and then lands. BUT you have FAITH that it will, so you get on the plane."</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you're flying on one of the first airplanes ever to fly, then it's faith. If you're flying on one of the many daily safe flights flying after decades of predominantly safe flights, then it's confidence based on experience.

[RobertE]

[quote]Originally posted by d'naturalist:
<strong>

If you're flying on one of the first airplanes ever to fly, then it's faith. If you're flying on one of the many daily safe flights flying after decades of predominantly safe flights, then it's confidence based on experience.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't know. Given that Alaska Air got spanked by the FAA after the Jan 2000 crash that killed 88 people on a flight from Puerto Villarta to San Fransico, maybe some prayers are warranted? :p

[tommyc]

[quote]Originally posted by Zetek:
<strong>I've had a similar experience with another company and likewise, have decided not to give them any more business. I purchased some items at work from <a href="http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/default.asp" target="_blank">United States Plastic Corp.</a>, and they arrived with a tract explaining why this guy is a creationist. With a little more probing of their website, I came across <a href="http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/uspgodowns.asp" target="_blank">this</a>. In the future, I'll requisition from a company that doesn't proselytize.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Nutjob
http://www.usplastic.com/images/stanley1.gif

[ohwilleke]

[quote]Originally posted by RobertE:
<strong>

I don't know. Given that Alaska Air got spanked by the FAA after the Jan 2000 crash that killed 88 people on a flight from Puerto Villarta to San Fransico, maybe some prayers are warranted? :p </strong><hr></blockquote>

The fact that one of its planes had to turn around and go home yesterday because flames were gushing out of one of its two engines isn't really reassuring either.

[Rusting Car Bumper]

[quote]Originally posted by d'naturalist:
<strong>

If you're flying on one of the first airplanes ever to fly, then it's faith. If you're flying on one of the many daily safe flights flying after decades of predominantly safe flights, then it's confidence based on experience.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You are not flying on faith at all. You are put confidence in flying because of inductive reasoning.

In other words, these planes go up in the sky everyday, everyone I know *except* me has flown safely. Thus, its probably safe for me to fly and the chances of a crash are slim.

DC

[MadMordigan]

Missed you, DC.

[scombrid]

For those interested in 4wheeling:

SkyJacker, one of the leading manufacturers of after market suspension, sends a John 3:16 speel printed on the back of the instruction sheet.

I guess these people think that if they give the glory to god they get blessed with good business and believe that if they don't, their business will fade.

[Vibr8gKiwi]

My wife and I were annoyed by those "prayer cards" on Alaska too some years ago. We now avoid the airline and occasionally write a letter to let them know we aren't flying their airline when we can avoid it.

If you want to see the prayer cards, and the "form letter" reply you receive when you complain, here's a link:
<a href="http://www.closetatheist.com/opinion20.htm" target="_blank">Alaska Airline Prayer Cards</a>

[yahwehyadayada]

You should have written "gawd was my co-pilot, but we crashed & I had to eat him" on the bloody thing. <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

[cheetah]

Oh Crap! I am flying alaska this weekend to Portland. I flew them a couple months ago, too, and actually liked them soooo well, but I guess they didn't serve any food, otherwise I certainly would have written in. I hope that there are no prayer cards and that I don't end up on a plane with flames gushing from the tail!

[Zachar]

I understand how jet planes work.

Turbines suck in air, mix it with fuel, ignite the fuel, and vent the high pressure/temperature gas aft. This makes plane go forward.

When an object travels through a fluid medium (air), it splits the medium into two streams. In the case of an airplane wing, this split creates two substreams with different velocities and pressures. One moves faster than the other; I can't remember which one, but the point is is that since they move at different velocities, they have different pressures: the low pressure is above the wing and the high pressure is below the wing. High pressure tries its hardest to unite with low pressure, but there's this wing in the way. So it says "to hell with it, push this wing out of the way". This pushes up on the wing. Lift. This makes wing go up. Wing is attached (welded and/or riveted) to rest of plane. Ergo, this makes plane go up.

Balance the lift about the center of gravity, balance the thrust around the center of gravity, and voila, you have stable, level flight. God has nothing to do with it. You can thank Newton, though.

[ August 14, 2002: Message edited by: Zachar ]</p>

[4th Generation Atheist]

I'd be inclined to write the equation for that on the card and send it back, maybe with one of those "Biblical Contradictions" flyers from AA.

[nixon]

Well I can top all you all. Inside the top lid of a certain model of IBM laptop (behind where the screen is) is a cross formed in the plastic. (Obviously manufactured that way.)

[lpetrich]

Air will move faster past the upper part of an airplane's wing than past the lower part, simply because it has longer to travel. This lowers the pressure, helping to produce lift.

But relatively fast airplanes can produce lift simply by having their noses pitched up a bit; the wings force air down as the plane travels, which then forces the plane up.

[Alonzo Fyfe]

On August 14, all CEOs of major businesses had to turn over certified copies of their company books.

Alaska Air is one of 12 companies where <a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/796176.asp?0dm=C24AB" target="_blank">the SEC has rejected their submission </a>and will be investigating the company.

[TerriNPA]

For those interested in 4wheeling:

SkyJacker, one of the leading manufacturers of after market suspension, sends a John 3:16 speel printed on the back of the instruction sheet.

I guess these people think that if they give the glory to god they get blessed with good business and believe that if they don't, their business will fade.

oh yeah I saw that... and even before I knew about that I've never liked their products. Gimme RE anyday! :)

as for the OP haven't been on any flight that had prayers or prayer cards, thank god :Cheeky:

[Agemegos]

I'd be inclined to write the equation for that on the card and send it back, maybe with one of those "Biblical Contradictions" flyers from AA.

Sure. But would a home-schooled fundie recognise Bernoulli's Equation?

[Agemegos]

You can thank Newton, though.

And Bernoullli, and Venturi, of course.

[staceyturner]

I flew to and from Seattle last week on Alaska Air. I was quite peeved that they choose to include a Psalm in every lunch basket. Aargh! I do not want to fly with an airline that is relying on an invisible friend to prevent a crash.

I sent a comment through their website (Basically, I was irked, I will prefer another airline in the future), although I didn't have the foresight to save it before I sent it.

[ August 06, 2002: Message edited by: ohwilleke ]</p>


Guess it didn't help them on January 31, 2000:

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/view_details.cgi?date=01312000&reg=N963AS&airline=Alaska+Airlines

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It is considered bad netiquette to respond to threads that have gone un-responded-to for TWO YEARS; even moreso when a thread discussing an identical subject is currently active here (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=122807). Please discuss the Alaska Air issue, and related issues in the more current thread.