Yet another ARN bashing thread

[pangloss]

In this thread (http://www.arn.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=13;t=000716;p=5) , an "anti-Darwinism" troll calling itself "Ilion" writes:


Originally posted by Myrmecos:
However, I think the claim that gets caught up in the confusion is the statement that humans descended from chimps (an argument often raised mockingly by some creationists). The truth is that we did not descend from chimps, but from a lineage of now extinct apes.


I realize this isn't exactly what you meant to say. Surely it isn't? I mean, it would be like saying, "My parents didn't have any children."


:rolleyes: :banghead: :banghead:

[Xeluan]

I've wondered about Ilion as all he seems to do is find little points to nitpick and then call ToE advocates "scientiste" which I am sure is not a compliment.

Ilion was talking about falsification last month (see http://www.arn.org/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=13;t=000671) and aroused me from my slumber (as the abuse of the term falisification is one of my pet peeves). The whole thread is very revealing.

[Godot]

I was part of the way through what that moron was whinging about and I realised I couldn't continue reading his posts without subjecting myself to a prefrontal lobotomy. Brutal.:banghead:

[pangloss]

Yeah, he is a regular at TalkOrigins (the MSN group run by a creationist engineeer), and a weird board called Europa Universalis. He had claimed - in addition to not beiong a scientist of any sort - to have proved that humans and chimps could not have shared a common ancestor because of the chromosomal differences.

Basically, the guy is a self-important jerk.

[pangloss]

Originally posted by Xeluan
Ilion was talking about falsification last month (see http://www.arn.org/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=13;t=000671) and aroused me from my slumber (as the abuse of the term falisification is one of my pet peeves). The whole thread is very revealing.

Very much so. I especially liked the "life screams design!" schtick, as if that is supposed to "prove" something...

He also likes to make a big deal out of spewing that he is not "intimidated" by people that know more than him...

[Lobstrosity]

Originally posted by pangloss
He also likes to make a big deal out of spewing that he is not "intimidated" by people that know more than him...
Well of course. Who needs knowledge when one is perfectly content to argue from ignorance?

[johngalt]

I was part of the way through what that moron was whinging about and I realised I couldn't continue reading his posts without subjecting myself to a prefrontal lobotomy.

This was exactly what i thought!

[KC]

Ya gotta laugh at that phony 'Hey, I'm just a regular joe. How come I'm showing up you scientiste assholes?' routine.

Classic dorm-room philosophy. All of it.

KC

[pangloss]

Careful KC - you will clearly regret dissing the almighty Ilion at II!

He will come down from on high and smite thee with his clever monikers and unassailable ignorance!

[pz]

I did not think the original title of this thread, "its time for mock the Idiot (Ilion)", was going to inspire much productive input, so I've changed it to something just as descriptive. I was also irked by the missing apostrophe.

People, just on general principle, could we all try to focus on sneering at stupid ideas rather than singling out individuals at other boards? You know there is no shortage of silliness at ARN that you could pick on without even mentioning anyone over there by name. In fact, it would be an excellent habit to develop: when you are frustrated and infuriated at some persistent nonsense expressed elsewhere, rip into it here without bringing the personalities involved into it.

[pangloss]

People, just on general principle, could we all try to focus on sneering at stupid ideas rather than singling out individuals at other boards? You know there is no shortage of silliness at ARN that you could pick on without even mentioning anyone over there by name. In fact, it would be an excellent habit to develop: when you are frustrated and infuriated at some persistent nonsense expressed elsewhere, rip into it here without bringing the personalities involved into it.

Good point. Yet it is true that certain personalities over there account for more than their fair share of silly ideas. I think there comes a point when it actually is about the person. But thats just me.

[pangloss]

Its funny - Ilion claims that he is being "misrepresented" over here.

Dollars to donuts that he could not actually explain how... Then, he could never explain how chromosomal fusion was such a problem for evolution, either...

You see, his 'friend' leonarde - the one who claims Ilion is an 'evo troll' - mentioned this thread at the ARN board...

A regular meeting of the minds over there... :rolleyes:

[Aria]

Ya gotta laugh at that phony 'Hey, I'm just a regular joe. How come I'm showing up you scientiste assholes?' routine.

Classic dorm-room philosophy. All of it.

KC

Funny you should mention this. During my time as a psychology student, I did a rather extensive paper on this. :D

I wish I still had the file. The paper itself was pretty good. I expounded on the reasons I thought knowledge was intimidating to those that didn't have it, and didn't want it. I used the dorm I was forced to live in my freshman year as a basis of the study.

I feel slightly ashamed, because the reason for writing it was nothing but revenge. My room-mate TOOK OFFENSE to my reading some of the books that I would be using in my next year of study, and my refusal to believe him whenever he made some bizarre claim.

[KC]

Funny you should mention this. During my time as a psychology student, I did a rather extensive paper on this. :D

I wish I still had the file. The paper itself was pretty good. I expounded on the reasons I thought knowledge was intimidating to those that didn't have it, and didn't want it.

Pity you don't still have it.

KC

[pangloss]

It is amazing how the Krueger hypothesis is shown tyo be true on a daily basis at places like ARN. (Krueger co-authored the paper on Incompetence, and how the incompetent suffer doubly - 1. by not knowing as much as they think they do and 2. because of #1, they cannot recognize their errors).

Mturner is a classic example fo this in action. Those who have been able to stomach his bombast over the years may recall that on at least 3 occasions that I can remember, he has admitted to being largley unable to understand primary source material (i.e., scientific journal articles). Yet this ignorance/iincompetence has not slowed him down in the least when pontificating on areas that he has admitted ignorance in.

Just yesterday, he really stepped in it again (http://www.arn.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=13;t=001281;p=2) :


My Lord above!! When are you people going to attain grade five reading comprehension levels?!?!
"Random Genetic Drift" is just another word for Random Genetic Mutationand "Gene flow" is just another way of saying random sexual [or otherwise] spreading of genes across ecological groups...In the end both are nothing more than I've said all along-- random genetic mutation and the random/chaotic ecological mechanism known as darwinian "Natural Selection". Please try to read for understanding of just what your shibboleths mean, before sounding off at those of us who do understand their implications.


Classic...