Liberal vs. Fundamental Christianity, any takers?

[Badfish]

I thought this would be a good change of pace, instead of Atheist/Christian battles. (And Nightshade suggested it, thanks BTW, and great idea)

So who wants to run the gauntlet?

I don't think liberal Christianity has a leg to stand on, of course it probably varies on the degree of liberalism, but I would say the far left liberal Christians don't have a leg to stand on.

Anyone want to take the challenge? And please list the degree of your liberalism and how it varies from fundamentalist beliefs, and show how you have a case. I believe that everyone knows where a fundamentalist stands, so my position is pretty much standard.

Maybe the opponent wants to pick a certain liberal view and debate whether it fits the perception and reality of God and his word, or whatever.

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

Originally posted by Badfish
I thought this would be a good change of pace, instead of Atheist/Christian battles. (And Nightshade suggested it)

So who wants to run the gauntlet?

I don't think liberal Christianity has a leg to stand on, of course it probably varies on the degree of liberalism, but I would say the far left liberal Christians don't have a leg to stand on.

Anyone want to take the challenge? And please list the degree of your liberalism and how it varies from fundamentalist beliefs, and show how you have a case.

Woohoo! Alright Badfish! :) Let me be the first to offer you a warm hearty welcome to the first theist/Christian to start a thread in FD(CS). :)

As you know, there's no shortage of liberal Christians at II: wildernesse, seebs, Rev. Joshua, and others. Perhaps you may want to mention your challenge in the CF outcasts: reloaded thread. You could also PM potential contenders as well. If someone picks up your gauntlet, then I look forward to seeing the clash of ideas. :)

Jason

[Badfish]

Thanks Jason. :)

I like the one on one format, whosever idea this was, tell them it's cool.

I did mention it in the CF reloaded thread, hopefully some can take a break from the alleged injustices caused by a website and take the challenge.

Who wants to sit in the Hot Seat? Muwahahahaha

[notMichaelJackson]

Badfish,

You might want to ask seebs.

[seebs]

I am so gonna regret this, but I think I'll take that.

We'd need to hash out a clear understanding of what is, or isn't, "liberal" Christianity; I can't necessarily defend all of those positions correctly.

I'd be willing to argue whether or not there is any good theological reason to expect the Bible to be literally true or taken at face value.

[Badfish]

Hiya seebs. :)

Well, lately I have come to realize that there are seemingly copyist errors (especially in numbering in the OT), but I think they are there for a reason, and that reason is to prevent bible worship and to seek God on a personal level and not only in a book.

However if you would like to set up some parameters, or a specific debate regarding any contending position you may want to defend regarding your beliefs, we can sure discuss it. :)

Also, please feel free to define and structure the definitions as you see fit.

How have you been?

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

Cool! :cool: This should be a very interesting debate. :D I look forward to following it.

Here's some debate parameters to think about, gentlemen:

From FD(CS) Rules and Procedures (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56983)


(a) The topic of the debate.

(b) The participants of the debate, and what positions they will argue.

(c) The scope of the debate.

(d) The length of the debate, in number of rounds (no more than 10 rounds per debate).

(e) Whether statements will be made consecutively or in turns, and if the latter, who goes first.

(f) The maximum length of each statement (no more than 5,000 words per statement).

(g) The maximum duration between statements.

(h) The extent to which quotes from outside sources will be permitted (absolutely no copyright violation or outright plagiarism will be allowed).

(i) The starting date of the debate.

(j) Any additional rules that debate participants must observe (subject to moderator approval).


Jason

[Secular Pinoy]

What happened to this debate? I think seebs would make a good defender of liberal christianity, judging from his/her posts at the EvC forum. Though personally, I want to see Vinnie defend his panentheistic faith against a raging bull conservative, unforunately he's on leave.

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

Originally posted by Secular Pinoy
What happened to this debate? I think seebs would make a good defender of liberal christianity, judging from his/her posts at the EvC forum.

Yeah, I'm not sure what happened. :( I really would have liked to have seen this debate. One of them, or both, lost interest I guess. :confused: Perhaps some other contenders might be interested in taking this on?

Jason

[notMichaelJackson]

It doesn't look like Badfish will be returning anytime soon. He hasn't posted since July 20, and has specified that he doesn't want anyone to semail him from this forum.

[Badfish]

Originally posted by notMichaelJackson
It doesn't look like Badfish will be returning anytime soon. He hasn't posted since July 20, and has specified that he doesn't want anyone to semail him from this forum.

I don't like "Semail"!! ;)

Actually my email should be enabled but it's msn and I'm transitioning to either wireless or dsl, since I moved I haven't been able to get to my freakin e-mail from msn anyway.

Geez has it been that long since I posted? Doesn't seem that long.

I may have limited time (you know, the work thing :mad: ) but I am not as hell bent on apologetics anymore, theres just so much involved, I mean if seebs or anyone wants to use Nightshades guidelines and make a good case against fundamentalism, then ok.

However I think the word fundamentalist needs to be defined and not catagorized as radicalism or extremism, since the word in it's definition doesn't imply such.

I'm certainly not a radicalist, just a believer in the "basics". It was my original intention to show that liberalism strays from the fundamentals or the foundation of Christianity, thats all.
However we all know the Spirit will guide us and in the end will all come to a mutual understanding one day. LOL ;)