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[RufusAtticus]

Pennridge, PA schools to review flyer policy (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/6466293.htm)

Baker lives with his parents in Perkasie but makes his living on the lecture circuit, speaking to other young people about creationism and other Christian topics.

He also runs a program he calls the SWAT Team, or the Student Warrior Adventure Training Team. Participants perform adventurous acts like climbing mountains while learning "to develop a vision for their own high school, not necessarily fighting evolution battles, but other battles," he said.

[theyeti]

Uggh. As if I needed any more proof that the Religious Right "culture warriors" are morally reprehensible, lacking in ethical standards, hypocritical, and just plain uncivil.

If the board members leave the policy as it is, "I hope they get sued again," Baker, 21, said.

Failure to love neighbor as self; vindictiveness.

Baker wanted a packed meeting because a CNN crew was going to report a story about him, he said yesterday.

Sin of pride.

School officials did not yet have an estimate for legal fees, but Baker said his attorney's fees were more than $40,000.

For having made a single phone call? Bearing false witness; avarice.

He also runs a program he calls the SWAT Team, or the Student Warrior Adventure Training Team. Participants perform adventurous acts like climbing mountains while learning "to develop a vision for their own high school, not necessarily fighting evolution battles, but other battles," he said.

Must everything be war for these people?

theyeti

[CX]

Originally posted by RufusAtticus
Pennridge, PA schools to review flyer policy (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/6466293.htm)

I think the best thing I can do as a parent is to teach my children to point and laugh at such imbeciles.

[acidphos]

Searching the web there is all kinds of neato information about good ol' Joe-

This one is my favorite! (http://www.searchofpa.org/Speakers.htm)

The text reeks of Hovind.

edit: And this seals the deal (http://www.wasdarwinright.com/DebatewithDrKostura.html)
"I can help you arrange a discussion on Origins and have students attend. This topic is really moving in my school. I have lent out over 180 videos of Creation vs. Evolution Debates and seminars (mostly by Dr. Kent Hovind) that have been circulating through the hands of virtually hundreds of students. "

[Clutch]

Originally posted by acidphos
Searching the web there is all kinds of neato information about good ol' Joe-

This one is my favorite! (http://www.searchofpa.org/Speakers.htm)

The text reeks of Hovind.


After doing research, I felt very lied to by the public educational system

After reading the link, I felt very written at by an illiterate.

[Roland98]

How To Witness Using Creation Science Sat. 11:00-12:-00

You’ve acquired all kinds of knowledge through your science studies. What good is it? You can use the knowledge you’ve gained to win atheists, intellectuals, and other non-believers to Christ! The message of the gospel is well-documented through scientific study! Use what you learn! (Appropriate for teens and parents)

rofl. Yes, certainly you'll win intellectuals over to Christ by using creation "science" arguments. I would love to meet this guy...

~Top 10 Questions Atheists Ask - a Q and A session (Sat. 2:30-3:30 What are the ten most-frequently asked questions posed by atheists and intellectuals ask concerning God? How would you like to have a ready answer for those who ask? This workshop will equip you to use your education to answer difficult questions. The second half of the workshop will be an open Q&A time where you can ask Joe any question concerning God - perhaps a question someone has posed to you - and he will show you how to respond. Appropriate for teens and parents)

Ugh, this should be re-titled "brainwashing the masses to parrot scripted responses to valid questions from skeptics." Do they really think this convinces anyone?
:confused:

[Roland98]

I argue that whoever is writing the biology textbooks is misrepresenting the nature of science.

Yes, of course. It's the scientists who are misrepresenting science, not the cwazy Cwistians.

:rolleyes:

And even better:

I set up a debate on Creation Vs. Evolution featuring Dr. Kent Hovind, who is in my opinion one of the allstars of Creationism...

Oh please, can we get this kid on here to post for awhile?

[simian]

"Appropriate for teens and parents" What - are children still vulnerable to knowledge?

Simian

[acidphos]

Joe has himself a mailing list (http://www.coollist.com/group.cgi?l=joebaker)


List Address: joebaker@coollist.com
List Name: Baker
List Description: This e-mail list is designed for educating my friends about Creation Science. If you are interested in learning more about science and the Bible please sign up it only takes a few seconds. You will receive no more than one page of e-mail each week.

Category: Science/Anomalies_and_Alternative_Science
Owner's Email: joeman12482@ho... (Protected)
List's Homepage:
Language: Not Specified
Members: 577
Subscription Policy: Public
Archive Mode: Public, anyone may view the archive
To Subscribe this List: Click here
To Unsubscribe from this List: Login with your email address and go to the "Unsubscribe" section. Then select the list that you want to unsubscribe.


Looks like a hotmail.com addy.:cool:

[RufusAtticus]

I don't know. It looks like a ho4christ.com email address to me.

[acidphos]

So I went ahead and signed up for the list. The welcome statement have some of the most paranoid "us against the world " rantings I have ever come across.

Should be interesting.

[RufusAtticus]

We should all sign up for the list and reply every week with a refutation.

[ex-xian]

Originally posted by RufusAtticus
We sould all sign up for the list and reply every week with a refutation.
I'm in. Who else wants to play?

[penumbra]

I'm in. Who else wants to play?

Just let me create a new hotmail identity and address so my regular mail doesn't get contaminated!

[Foxfire]

This should be fun... I'm in.

[acidphos]

Has anybody found the archives mentioned in the list signup form? So far I haven't, but I did find this (http://users.netreach.net/infoquest/Enough%20Water%20to%20Flood%20the%20Earth.txt) beauty.


See, if the polar ice caps
were to ever completely melt the continents would decrease by about 20%.
This would drastically change the shape of our continents and would probably
convert all them guys who still believe in Pangea theory but it would not
cover Mt. Everest.



If we sank every mountain into the trenches in the ocean and smoothed out
the whole globe the world would be covered by about 2 miles of water.



God's
flood did not have to cover the great mountains because the huge mountains
arose after the flood and the mid-oceanic trenches sank down allowing the
water to quickly erode the globe.

[ex-xian]

Has anyone gotten a confirmation email about joining this list? I signed up a few hours ago, but I've got nothing. :confused:

[Xeluan]

I joined up for the entertainment value.

Montana eh? That explains the paranoia. ;)

[RufusAtticus]

I got the confirmation email:


Dear friend,

You have signed up for my Creation Awareness list. Thank you for taking the time to sign up. You are very important to me and I am always willing to chat with you about any subject. I will try to commit to sending out one letter per week to prepare and equip you to defend your faith in the Bible.

If you have any questions about Creation, Evolution, dinosaurs, the Bible, or what you can do in your public schools please send them to me via e-mail:. I will be living in Montana over the next year and I am going to try to stay committed to you, my friends, while I am at school. If you have any suggestions for me I would be grateful for your advice.

May God bless this alliance of believers that we may better educate one another.

God bless you all,

JB

Psalm 11:3 declares that 'If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?'

-The book of Genesis is foundational to the rest of the Bible. We Christians need to learn how to defend the foundation of our belief, for the humanists are so carefully working to wash out that very foundation. Notice that the schools and public institutions are not publicly attacking the death, resurrection, or virgin birth of Jesus Christ but are teaching a doctrine that directly attacks the Creation of the world and the history of the Bible. They are attacking the fundamental truth of Creation in the guise of science, to defend our faith in the Bible we must also understand not only scripture but also what science is.

[ex-xian]

Originally posted by RufusAtticus
I got the confirmation email:
I tried to sign up again, using my infidels email forwarding email address, and it told that I had previously signed up and to follow the directions in the confirmation email. So I entered my "real" email, and got the confirm email shortly thereafter.

I could have deleted the other one by mistake...he couldn't have a filter that would block email form a ***.freethinkers.org address could he?

[openeyes]

The two contend that the district policy was applied unfairly to Baker because of the subject matter in his flyers - something the district vehemently denies. Can you imagine what would happen if some former student went in and tried to distribute literature for a freethinkers/atheist group? I'm sure anyone who may be on Baker's side would have a problem with their children becoming "contaminated" with that sort of information. It annoys me to no end when these types cry about discrimination.

Go get him all you evolution experts!

[Coragyps]

he couldn't have a filter that would block email form a ***.freethinkers.org address could he?
That one, and also babyeaters.com and pinkoatheistsheephumpers.org as well.:D

[RRoman]

I'm in too. I may not have much to contribute, but at least this will give me some training.

[ex-xian]

Originally posted by Coragyps
That one, and also babyeaters.com and pinkoatheistsheephumpers.org as well.:D
Hmmm....sarcastic, insulting, and obscene...excellent post! :D

[Roland98]

I'm in too. I'd sent him an email earlier inviting him to debate us here, but haven't heard anything yet. He's probably too busy doing research. Oh, wait...:rolleyes:

[Worldtraveller]

Hehehe I'm in. I can't wait to start replying to the wonderful, enlightening emails I should soon be recieving. :D

I created a hotmail account just for this. It should be interesting to see how much porn spam shows up in that account too..;)

Cheers,
Lane

[Oolon Colluphid]

Oooh!

"Wipe-the-Floor, a game for all the Infidels"!

Yup, signing up any moment now...

Oolon

[Worldtraveller]

Well, I got the reply with the email address in it. Is it against forum rules to post it here, since it a public list?

-Lane

[Roland98]

Originally posted by Worldtraveler
Well, I got the reply with the email address in it. Is it against forum rules to post it here, since it a public list?

-Lane

His email address is also available on his website (if that's the email address you're talking about). So it's not private; I emailed him first at that address before signing up for his list (at a different address). It's joeman12482@hotmail.com.

[keyser_soze]

See you guys there!

[CX]

Well, I'm totally unqualified to discuss evolution, but I've gotta see this. It ought to be a bloodbath. I'm signing up. Maybe I can offer biblical perspective or something.

[edited to add: I'm in!]

[ex-xian]

Now that we're all signed up and ready to refute, he probably won't send one out for two more months.

[Roller]

I'm in too ;) This is going to be fun, fun, fun!

From the confirmation email:
" May God bless this alliance of believers that we may better educate one another."

We sure will son, we sure will.

[GodLessWarrior]

[/lurker mode]

Even though I never post.... I'm in.

[lurker mode]

[Jimmy Higgins]

This guy is great.
The mountains arose after the flood and the mid-oceanic trenches sank down. As the water quickly ran off it created massive erosion, such as the Grand Canyon, and Canyon Land National park. Just how exactly does runoff cause canyons and large trenches? Besides, where did the water "run-off" to?

Besides, my limited knowledge of geology tells me that the Grand Canyon is not created by as much as by erosion than it is by uplift.

I'll be waiting for his reply on my interbedded conglomerate/shale issue. I won't old my breath.

editted to add:

Some of the best gems (http://www.wasdarwinright.com/Datingmethods.html#young%20globe)
Oh my gawd! I just found the most precious creationist gem of all time.
9 - Soil-water ratio. The earth is still in the partially soaked condition it became at the time of the Flood. This indicates that the Flood occurred only a few thousand years ago.—p. 27.
Excuse me? Where the hell is that coming from?

1 - Topsoil. It has been calculated that 300 to 1,000 years is required to build one inch [2.54 cm] of topsoil. Yet the average depth of topsoil is about eight inches. On this basis, the earth could only be a few thousand years old.—p. 27. Well, my house has about 4 inches of topsoil, so that has to mean my property is only 1200 years old.

2 - Niagara Falls. Erosion of Niagara Falls is about 3.5 feet [106.68 cm] per year. Since the length of the gorge is about 7 miles, the age of the falls would normally be about 5,000 to 10,000 years at the most. However, the Flood would have greatly accelerated that erosion.—p. 27.Alright, notice the 5000 to 10000 range? Whats the deal with the range? If the gorge is 7 miles or 36960 feet long, and it has eroded 3.5 feet a year (knowing that the erosion is nearly zero now, because of flow control), that would lead to an age of 10560 years. He says 10,000 at most. What a nutjob.

6 - Growth of coral. Coral growth rates indicate the earth is quite young. No known coral formation is older than 3,500 years.—p. 29.Are we including the coral that is 1000 feet below the ground surface in Ohio?

[Roland98]

What a nutjob.

Would you expect any less from someone who lists "Dr" Kent Hovind as a personal hero?

[Foxfire]

As the water quickly ran off it created massive erosion, such as the Grand Canyon, and Canyon Land National park.
Wow, how insightful. One mile of granite and shale carved out in less than a month and a half.:banghead:

[Mageth]

1 - Topsoil. It has been calculated that 300 to 1,000 years is required to build one inch [2.54 cm] of topsoil. Yet the average depth of topsoil is about eight inches. On this basis, the earth could only be a few thousand years old.—p. 27.

Umm, this is idiotic. Obviously, you'd have to consider the greatest topsoil thickness. I have no idea where the thickest topsoil is, but I did a quick web search and found some test hole logs from a county in Kansas where, in some of them, the topsoil was six feet thick. That's 72 inches - already up to @22k-72k years. Then I looked at another page and found one where the soil was 15 feet thick!

And of course, this completely ignores erosion.

As the water quickly ran off it created massive erosion, such as the Grand Canyon, and Canyon Land National park.

And, amazingly, then there was a massive volcanic event that plugged up the Grand Canyon, and the flood waters magically came back and eroded it again!

What idiocy.

Jimmy Higgins mentioned:

Are we including the coral that is 1000 feet below the ground surface in Ohio?

Not to mention the Guadalupe Mountains in West Texas, esp. El Capitan, the remains of an ancient, massive coral reef thousands of feet thick.

http://www.kingsnake.com/hudspeth/elcapitan.jpg

[keyser_soze]

Originally posted by Foxfire
Wow, how insightful. One mile of granite and shale carved out in less than a month and a half.:banghead:

Wow, it must have been HARD water.;)

[Jimmy Higgins]

Originally posted by Mageth

Not to mention the Guadalupe Mountains in West Texas, esp. El Capitan, the remains of an ancient, massive coral reef thousands of feet thick. In addition, that same coral in Ohio is up on cliff tops in Bruce Pennisula. IE the Niagara Escarpment!

Wow, 72 inches of topsoil? But I guess the 0 inches of topsoil that can be seen in the Canadian Shield makes up for that. So the Canadian Shield proves the earth is 100 years old! :)

Isn't false extrapolation fun?!

[Jimmy Higgins]

Originally posted by Roland98
Would you expect any less from someone who lists "Dr" Kent Hovind as a personal hero? Its one thing to completely mix up a science, such as many YEC'ers do. But to claim that the earth's soil is still wet from the flood?! I mean, where did someone get that idea from.

Strangely enough, I did do the calculations of settlement based on soil rebound. Assuming the flood was 4000 years ago, and only 1/4 of the weight of the water was still in the "soil memory" our settlements in soil would be considerably less, I believe by atleast 300%.

[RufusAtticus]

What if we could send our troops in under the wall? What if we could motivate and train our Christian public school students to be world-changers? What if they were the ones to subvert the dominant paradigm? Who would stop them? After taking part in this war for some time now I believe that the system intended to keep truth out is ironically most vulnerable within. Millions of Christian students enter public high school every day. What if we were to offer them the responsibility of leading this revolution? This is not just a new idea of how to bring about change in our country, this is the last card in our hand, and soon it too will be taken from us. And then we wont have a prayer of getting our nation back to its old paths.

[Veovis]

How do they teach evolution in public schools? If your child has ever been in the public school system, be assured that they have been brainwashed! How can you unbrainwash you children? After doing research, I felt very lied to by the public educational system and how they propagate evolutional theory in school through consistent deliberate error. How did I work within the system to bring about change? What can you do as a parent? As a youth? (Appropriate for teens and parents)

Apparently he wasn't 'brainwashed' enough in English class. :rolleyes:

What if we could send our troops in under the wall? What if we could motivate and train our Christian public school students to be world-changers? What if they were the ones to subvert the dominant paradigm? Who would stop them? After taking part in this war for some time now I believe that the system intended to keep truth out is ironically most vulnerable within. Millions of Christian students enter public high school every day. What if we were to offer them the responsibility of leading this revolution? This is not just a new idea of how to bring about change in our country, this is the last card in our hand, and soon it too will be taken from us. And then we wont have a prayer of getting our nation back to its old paths.

Hot Damn:eek: ! I though Pennsylvania wasn't in the Bible belt! Oh well, the moment they start establishing a theocracy, I'm splitting for Europe ASAP. People like this make me lose so much faith in the human race. :(

[Doctor X]

You people are gluttens for punishment!

--J.D.

[Roland98]

Yikes, I'm also cringing at his grammar. Hellooo--if you're going to use contractions, I'd like to introduce you to a little someone called Mr. Apostrophe!

After taking part in this war for some time now I believe that the system
intended to keep truth out is ironically most vulnerable within. Millions of
Christian students enter public high school every day. What if we were to offer
them the responsibility of leading this revolution?

And of course, all Christians are YECs. :rolleyes:

What has the Church offered students so far? The average church has done a
fairly good job of training students to save sex for marriage, steer clear of
drugs, and bring more friends to church.

Ha--he must know a very different set of Christians than I did growing up.

I know, I know, at this point youre saying, Yes… but how do we motivate these
kids to be world-changers? Well, we offer them a more dangerous role in the
story, of course. We reveal to them individually that according to the Word
they were intimately created for a specific, strategic, cosmic purpose. We tell
them that they are needed, simply BECAUSE THEY ARE!

Ha, that's the best reason I've ever heard. I really wish this guy would come on here to debate--

IIDB: "Why in the world, given both the fossil record and DNA sequence analysis, for starters, would anyone discount evolution?"

Joe Baker: "JUST BECAUSE!"


And he's writing a book...great, the next Kent Hovind.

[RufusAtticus]

Originally posted by Roland98
Yikes, I'm also cringing at his grammar. Hellooo--if you're going to use contractions, I'd like to introduce you to a little someone called Mr. Apostrophe!

Just to be fair he said this at the end of the message:
Note: The reason that there are no commas [sic] in this article is because the program goes bananas when I put them in. If I missed any, it will look like this ‘ “

[Albion]

I really wish this guy would come on here to debate--

I doubt he'd know how to. He's cast himself in the role of charismatic leader, and you don't need to know what you're talking about when you're playing Charismatic Leader.

[Oolon Colluphid]

Originally posted by Albion
you don't need to know what you're talking about when you're playing Charismatic Leader. Hmmm... We seem to get lots of fundy 'charismatic leaders' here then...

Oolon

[Thanatoast]

Jimmy Higgins said:Assuming the flood was 4000 years ago, and only 1/4 of the weight of the water was still in the "soil memory" our settlements in soil would be considerably less, I believe by atleast 300%.
Soil memory? Sounds like you're mixing geology and homeopathy!:p

[Dargo]

If any of you are actually planning on posting on this list, I would recommend caution. Pretend that you are a good Christian robot, and that you are simply posting questions asked by an evil atheistic coworker who doesn't believe in Genesis for some strange reason.

[Worldtraveller]

Here is my reply to this email.

Dangerous Identity Essay
By: Joe Baker

In an honest moment most Christians will admit that our American foundations are
being uprooted, and that the Churchs effort to bring back our Christian heritage
is waxing more and more futile.

>Which foundations would those be exactly? The US government is a secular government. It was founded that way, it is intended to be that way. What is being uprooted and eroded is the religious tolerance and freedom of every American to worship, or not, as he/she chooses.<

The most destructive force at work against us
is clearly the public education system. Many battles have been fought at the
school board, state, and Supreme Court levels, with the desire to bring truth to
a lost generation of young people. We are losing more and more skirmishes each
year. And the reason that we are losing has nothing to do with being
outnumbered. I believe we are losing because we have not been strategic or
willing to use some of our most valuable players. I want to offer a solution
that will undermine the current propaganda machine.

>The current religious movement has one of the biggest, most effective propaganda machines there is. It is only because so much of what comes from them is an out and out LIE that the truth manages to maintain it's tenuous hold on the public education system. It's religious organizations that are fighting to become government supported and endorsed that are one of the biggest causes of strife in this country today. And you're right, it has nothing to do with being outnumbered. It is a matter of a large, vocal minority trying to push thier religious views on everyone else.<

Humanist forces in our society have, over the last 100 years, built an invisible
wall around every public school. This wall is designed to keep Christianity and
its values out. For years the Church has engaged in a half-hearted effort to
lay siege from the outside of the walled perimeter by using the court system.
Heaving rocks at the wall for years has hardly made a reasonable impact. I
think it’s time for a new plan, and that plan is to send in what I have been
calling the Trojan Horse.

>Hello, what country did you grow up in? Children ARE allowed to pray in school in any way they want. And more importantly, they are still allowed to attend any church they want. What is NOT allowed is the school supporting religion...ANY religion...in an official capacity. The churche's siege, as you so aptly describe it, is an unconstitutional assoult on the freedoms guaranteed to every citizen of this country by the first amendment!<

What if we could send our troops in under the wall? What if we could motivate
and train our Christian public school students to be world-changers? What if
they were the ones to subvert the dominant paradigm? Who would stop them?
After taking part in this war for some time now I believe that the system
intended to keep truth out is ironically most vulnerable within. Millions of
Christian students enter public high school every day. What if we were to offer
them the responsibility of leading this revolution? This is not just a new idea
of how to bring about change in our country, this is the last card in our hand,
and soon it too will be taken from us. And then we wont have a prayer of
getting our nation back to its old paths.

> So what you're saying is that you want to brainwash young children with your particular brand of religion, regardless of thier or thier parents beliefs? And what old paths are you referring to? The witch hunts? Maybe the complete extinction of the native amercan peoples who are already pushed back to live on reservations? What flavor of god worship do you want to see? Which one of the 30000+ forms (cults, really) of christianity would you like to force on all of these people?<

What has the Church offered students so far? The average church has done a
fairly good job of training students to save sex for marriage, steer clear of
drugs, and bring more friends to church. But churches, for the most part, have
not risen a generation of kids that are willing and ready to engage the culture
and make disciples of Jesus Christ. This is my vision. I want to give them an
invitation into something far more dangerous, far wilder, and far more wonderful
than they have ever imagined. I want to invite them on a journey where they are
forced to fully trust in the Lord to make their path straight. This journey
begins when we become completely available to our Creator. This means that we
too must be available servants ready for orders, or we will have nothing to give
them.

> This is your vision? Then you do not belong in this country. Tell you what, I have read a couple versions of the bible, the book of mormon, most of the baghivad ghita and upanishads, the koran, and several books on eastern mysticism. How about we institute an indoctrination into Hinduism? I have a feeling you would want that wall to be back up again, eh?<

Sounds easy, doesnt it? Until you read the Scriptures and see the heroic
adventures that God invites men on when they simply become available for his
service. There isnt a story in the Bible where God takes men and offers them
financial and physical security at the beginning of their journey. He is not
concerned about our personal reputations. God wants us to need him, to talk
with him, and to trust him no matter what, so what does he do? He chocks our
life full of mystery, danger, and adventure. And that, right there, is the key.
The destiny that we have shown them is no more than just a Christian version of
the worlds pitiful zip-locked Wal-Mart college life. When they see the real
thing in action they too will want to really come alive and live out the radical
life as an Ambassador of Jesus Christ.

> You've got a point there, reading the bible definitely gives one the impression that god doesn't care much about people, unless you are part of one of the original tribes? Are you? Or would you be one of the many innocent children doomed to die because of you god's merciful judgement? <

I know, I know, at this point youre saying, Yes… but how do we motivate these
kids to be world-changers? Well, we offer them a more dangerous role in the
story, of course. We reveal to them individually that according to the Word
they were intimately created for a specific, strategic, cosmic purpose. We tell
them that they are needed, simply BECAUSE THEY ARE! And then we walk with them
as they listen to the heart of God and develop a strategic vision for their high
school. We teach them truth, we train them, and then we set them free. God
will be the one ultimately in charge if we do it this way.

>Right....why don't we simply try to motivate our children to be respectful of others beliefs, recognize that there are outlooks other than theirs that are just as correct, be kind to others and follow the 'golden rule' (which originated long before the old testament), do these not sound like worthy ideals? <

The reason why the movie The Lord Of The Rings made such profits among teens is
because it is a parable of the lives that we are supposed to be living. The
trailer of the film runs these three statements across the screen:

Fate has chosen him.
A fellowship will protect him.
Evil will hunt him.

And this is precisely what they will be invited into, great and noble
undertaking. We are not called to be living a re-run from Home Improvement. You
and I were born into a world at war, and we are going to need every bit of
strength that we can muster. I believe in todays young people; I believe that
we have what it takes to bring down the forces of evil. The God of the Armies
of Israel is our counselor: may He use this generation to violently bring forth
His Kingdom.

>Actually, the reason LOTR was so popular among teens was because all of us old parents who read the books dragged them there to see it. :-) <

--And this, my friend, is the reason why I am spending the next 8 months to
explain my strategic vision for high schoolers in a book that will be titled
Dangerous Identity. I would love your input and your prayers…You can e-mail me
at Joeman12482@hotmail.com

> Well, ok but you asked. I'd concentrate a little less on writing your hate filled book, and a little more on learning to respect the people around you.

Post a message on my web site: www.WasDarwinRight.com

> I think I will.....

Cheers.

And I replied froma different account than it was sent, so I shouldn't get deleted from his mailing list. :)

Cheers,
Lane