Sin of homosexuality?

[mark9950]

I am male and do not understand(and do not want to understand) why a man would have a sexual interest in having sex with another man(yuk).

I am married and have a beautiful wife like many other heterosexual families.

Since I am this way I do not and have sexual attraction to males.

I really think that being gay has to do with the brain and what makes up the person.

I also think that homosexuality is no more of a sin than a woman menstruating.

lev 15:30 And the priest shall offer the one for a SIN offering, and the other for a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the LORD for the issue of her uncleanness

I guess Pat Robertson must have forgot about that one.

[Groovy Cosmic Monkey]

mark9950,

I am male and do not understand(and do not want to understand) why a man would have a sexual interest in having sex with another man(yuk).

Unfortunately the "yuck factor" probably goes a long way to explain why so many people have a problem with homosexuality. Their objections have little to do with genuine moral arguments - they simply find the idea of anal sex (or any gay sexual contact) repulsive.

As scigirl has pointed out, moral arguments cannot be based on the "yuck factor", otherwise I'd be fairly quick to label old people having sex and ugly people having sex immoral.

Many gay people also find heterosexual sex "yucky". I personally find it disgusting that any man would have an interest in giving oral sex to a woman. Vaginas, in my opinion, are quite revolting.

lev 15:30 And the priest shall offer the one for a SIN offering, and the other for a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the LORD for the issue of her uncleanness

I guess Pat Robertson must have forgot about that one.

Leviticus is full of weird prohibitions that even the most conservative Christians do not follow.

[Doctor X]

As scigirl has pointed out, moral arguments cannot be based on the "yuck factor", otherwise I'd be fairly quick to label old people having sex and ugly people having sex immoral

Indeed . . . if the Yuck Factor applied, children could prevent their parents having sex. . . .

It would prevent Michael Jackson from spawning, though. . . .

--J.D.

[Groovy Cosmic Monkey]

Originally posted by Doctor X
Indeed . . . if the Yuck Factor applied, children could prevent their parents having sex. . . .

It would prevent Michael Jackson from spawning, though. . . .

--J.D.

Hmmm, on second thoughts, maybe the yuck factor is a good argument. :p

[Aria]

This reminds me of the old "Letter to Dr. Laura" that circulated on the internet. I don't know who originally made it, but I think it bears repeating here:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other
specific laws and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord-Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanlienss-Lev.15:19-24. The problem is, how do
I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can
you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to
kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination-Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality.
I don't agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have
a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does
my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
Lev.19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments
made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also
tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go
to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?
Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family
affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you
can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal
and unchanging.

Your devoted fan,
Jim.

[Jack Kamm]

That is hilarious. :D :D :D

Do you have a link?

[Aria]

It's plastered all over more internet sites than I can ever count. I honestly have no idea where it originally came from, or who wrote it. I do know that I have seen it for probably two or three years now, and usually in exactly this format.

[Invader Tak]

I personally find it disgusting that any man would have an interest in giving oral sex to a woman. Vaginas, in my opinion, are quite revolting.

You'd be quite surprised to find out how many *heterosexual* men think this way too.

<sigh>

[Mike in NC]

You say you can't understand how a guy could be sexually turned on by another guy? Personally, as a gay man, I don't understand how straight men can be so oblivious to the beauty of a well-developed male physique! I've talked this over with several of my straight male friends. When they tell me about their love of some soft, round, voluptious female form, I tell them about my love of the firm, muscular angularity of the male form. I think Colin Farrell is the sexiest thing alive, although Brad Pitt comes in a close second!

[Donnmathan]

Mike, I can't figure that one out, either; then again, I'm bi, so I can't figure out what a lot homosexual men have against the female form, either. Colin Farrell, though - you sad little man, you! :D

Seriously, though, to answer the very first statement made on this thread:

I am male and do not understand(and do not want to understand) why a man would have a sexual interest in having sex with another man(yuk).

According to one of my old biology profs, it is purely chemical. Our ideas of what and who we find attractive are, in part, based in biochemistry - their bodies give off chemical signals that we pick up on, and our instincts class them as 'possibly sexually attractive/compatable' or not. Theory he cover at the time stated that homosexuals and bisexuals were simply wired differently - the signals tripped on a gender that was atypical to the norm.

This all boils down to the fact that homosexuals and bisexuals are a product of nature, of biochemistry, and therefore according to the bible were MADE that way by your god. How, then, could they possibly be sinful, eh? Unless your god is going around making evil things and then condemning them for the fun of it...

Now, I may be behind the times as to the scientific explaination for homosexuality and bisexuality, so if anyone has anything new, please say something. :)

[scigirl]

Originally posted by mark9950
I am male and do not understand(and do not want to understand) why a man would have a sexual interest in having sex with another man(yuk).
Heh I don't understand why most people would want to have sex with most other people, since I personally haven't desired sex with most people. ;)
I am married and have a beautiful wife like many other heterosexual families.
Glad to hear it!
I really think that being gay has to do with the brain and what makes up the person.
Kind of like why I enjoy listening to System of a Down--really really loud. What else could it be but a brain condition? ;)

Just like other complex human behaviors, it's a little genetics, a little environment, a little brain chemistry, and perhaps some random unknown events.
I also think that homosexuality is no more of a sin than a woman menstruating.
Heh - good point! Well sometimes I think menstruation is a curse from God, but then I remember I'm an atheist!
I guess Pat Robertson must have forgot about that one.
I doubt he forgets anything. My opinion is that he is a cold and calculating man who sells fear and ignorance to make a lot of money. And he's very good at it.

If you are really bored and have a lot of time on your hands, you could check out my recent thread titled Debunking more anti-gay arguments (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59725).

I'm glad to see Christians express their dismay at the anti-gay rhetoric. There's a growing movement here in Colorado of Christian and Jewish ministers/rabbis who are calling for acceptance of gay marriage. In my view, it's not a christian/atheist argument, it's a human rights argument between fundamentalists and non-fundamentalists. When I was a Christian, it saddened me to see people using the message of Jesus to persecute people. And well it still saddens me. Thanks for your post - it did make my day!!

scigirl the optimist

[Autonemesis]

Mike in NC, I can relate. :D But there are a couple of famous females I find attractive, and would probably have sex with them (assuming opportunity and interest on their part) even though I am not quite sure about this vagina/boobies thing. They are Jamie Lee Curtis and Sigourney Weaver. Not surprisingly, these are probably the two butchest babes in Hollywood. ;)

[OpheliaC]

Originally posted by Donnmathan
According to one of my old biology profs, it is purely chemical. Our ideas of what and who we find attractive are, in part, based in biochemistry - their bodies give off chemical signals that we pick up on, and our instincts class them as 'possibly sexually attractive/compatable' or not. Theory he cover at the time stated that homosexuals and bisexuals were simply wired differently - the signals tripped on a gender that was atypical to the norm.

This all boils down to the fact that homosexuals and bisexuals are a product of nature, of biochemistry, and therefore according to the bible were MADE that way by your god. How, then, could they possibly be sinful, eh? Unless your god is going around making evil things and then condemning them for the fun of it...

Now, I may be behind the times as to the scientific explaination for homosexuality and bisexuality, so if anyone has anything new, please say something. :)

Check out the following page for an easy to understand explanation:
Click here for hormones and sexuality (http://home.usadatanet.net/~bassim/homosexuality.html)

What your Prof. was talking about is something quite different although he was correct in his teachings. He was talking about was a substance called pheromones.

Click here for pheromone info (http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9803/11/pheromones/)

[Invader Tak]

Mike in NC, I can relate. But there are a couple of famous females I find attractive, and would probably have sex with them (assuming opportunity and interest on their part)

I know a lot of straight women (myself included) who have at least one or two "crushes" like this.

For the record, I definitely would not kick Lucy Lawless (Xena) or Halle Berry out of bed!:p

[Donnmathan]

OpheliaC, thanks for the links - I'm a computer programmer (BA Computer Science, according to my degree) by trade, not a biology major of any stripe, so I only took a few courses. Interesting stuff, though, and I appreciate the enlightenment!

[mark9950]

For the record, I definitely would not kick Lucy Lawless (Xena) or Halle Berry out of bed!

I would.

Lucy lawless-I am not into masculine acting women.

Halle Berry- I perfer staying withinin my own race.

My preferances.

[mark9950]

Unless your god is going around making evil things and then condemning them for the fun of it...[/QUOTE]

God (from what I have learned from many other posts on this whole board website)does things like this.

God admits creating evil

Isa:45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Alos I believe that Jesus may have been gay himself or maybe effeminate in his actions.

http://www.mindprod.com/ggloss/wasjesusgay.html

[mark9950]

Vaginas, in my opinion, are quite revolting.

Would at least wash the area maybe it would not be revolting.

Many women just leave it and not at least wash the area until they notice,especially at that time of the month.

By that time they are revolting.

Oh by the way why do you think God put the clitorus outside of the body instead of inside?

[Bree]

Originally posted by mark9950
Halle Berry- I perfer staying withinin my own race.
I'm interested in why your preferences run this way. I'm not accusing you of being racist or anything - I'm just interested. Particularly because I am of similar persuasion. I can think that ethnic women are extremely beautiful but for some reason I don't think there's anything sexually inviting about them. Maybe I'm accusing myself with being racist, I dunno.

This is particularly difficult because I'm Asian :).

PS - If you think Lucy Lawless is masculine-acting you haven't seen her in real life (meaning away from Xena). She is quite the looker.

[scigirl]

Originally posted by mark9950
Oh by the way why do you think God put the clitorus outside of the body instead of inside?
By "God," I'm assuming you mean "evolution?"

Evolution put the clitoris outside, because it is derived from the same tissue as the penis.

scigirl

[Loren Pechtel]

Originally posted by Bree
I'm interested in why your preferences run this way. I'm not accusing you of being racist or anything - I'm just interested. Particularly because I am of similar persuasion. I can think that ethnic women are extremely beautiful but for some reason I don't think there's anything sexually inviting about them. Maybe I'm accusing myself with being racist, I dunno.

This is particularly difficult because I'm Asian :).

PS - If you think Lucy Lawless is masculine-acting you haven't seen her in real life (meaning away from Xena). She is quite the looker.

Well, for me it's not racial per se--I don't like tropical features, whether they be black, brown or yellow. As people--fine. As bedmates--no. On the other hand, I tend to prefer Japanese looks to white. (And I'm white.)

[Groovy Cosmic Monkey]

mark 9950,

Oh by the way why do you think God put the clitorus outside of the body instead of inside?

What's the relevance of the question?

[Derec]

Originally posted by Mike in NC
I don't understand how straight men can be so oblivious to the beauty of a well-developed male physique!

Oh, I am not oblivious to it, but the deadly sin it causes in me is envy, not lust. :)

UMoC

[Purple Smartie]

Did you really suggest that women only wash their genital area once a month?

Many women just leave it and not at least wash the area until they notice,especially at that time of the month.

By that time they are revolting.


Back to the original topic, I don't see homosexuality as a sin because I know how I personally did not make a decision to become a lesbian. Other people of course can't understand how I feel about women or what caused me to even dream up such an idea. I don't suppose heterosexuals wake up one day and announce to the world that they are straight, they feel that way from childhood.

I don't see how menstruating can be a sin either, sort of for the same reasons that I didn't think transsexuality could be immoral. It's a biological fact of life, and believe me if women could control it or eliminate it most of us would! My understanding of the passages relating to a woman's "uncleanliness" was that it would be a sin for a MAN to associate with a menstruating woman. Who's the sinner?

[never been there]

Halle Berry's black?

Compared to me, maybe. Compared to someone from Africa, not so.

But this is silly. "Race" doesn't exist. It's just a pigment of the imagination.

[JerryM]

Going back to one of the earlier posts about the "yuck" factor:

I do wonder why homosexuality provokes such a visceral response in some people. It has to be more than just "yuck." It seems that in some (fortunately, by no means all) adolescent and post-adolescent men, gays incite an intense, deep seated, gut-level, even violent rage. We all know about the Matthew Shepard incident, not to mention countless other episodes of gay bashing, virtually always committed by young adult men. Could it be that young men, who are already hyped up by surging testosterone, feel their masculinity is threatened by gays? Perhaps they have some deep-seated doubts about their own sexual orientation. Their self-hatred is projected onto homosexuals. That sounds like trite, Freudian, pyscho-babble, but maybe there's some truth there. And it's not even homosexuality per se that evokes such a response. Lesbianism, of course, is a heterosexual male fantasy. There has to be more than just yuck to account for the extreme reactions some people have to male homosexuality.

[Pyrrho]

Originally posted by JerryM
Going back to one of the earlier posts about the "yuck" factor:

I do wonder why homosexuality provokes such a visceral response in some people. It has to be more than just "yuck." It seems that in some (fortunately, by no means all) adolescent and post-adolescent men, gays incite an intense, deep seated, gut-level, even violent rage. We all know about the Matthew Shepard incident, not to mention countless other episodes of gay bashing, virtually always committed by young adult men. Could it be that young men, who are already hyped up by surging testosterone, feel their masculinity is threatened by gays? Perhaps they have some deep-seated doubts about their own sexual orientation. Their self-hatred is projected onto homosexuals. That sounds like trite, Freudian, pyscho-babble, but maybe there's some truth there. And it's not even homosexuality per se that evokes such a response. Lesbianism, of course, is a heterosexual male fantasy. There has to be more than just yuck to account for the extreme reactions some people have to male homosexuality.

I agree.

I also think that many more people have homosexual tendencies than would ever admit to it, even to themselves. There is a lot of homoeroticism in many athletic endeavors, but it is socially acceptable, so many "heterosexual" males can engage in these activities, and claim, even to themselves, that there is nothing homosexual about it.

Sometimes members of a fraternity will all become sexually linked with each other by all having sex with the same woman. This allows them to have a sexual connection with each other, but without actually having sex with each other. They can then pretend that this is all just heterosexual activity, but the point is linking them all sexually together.

There are many examples of such things, but I expect what I have said so far will be enough to infuriate enough people, if they read this.

[Paul5204]

scigirl:

It would probably help if our "liberal" Christian friends would try to remember that their Lord is reported to have said that he came not to bring peace, but a sword. These same "liberal" Christians might try reading Matthew 23. If ever there were a scathing attack on the morals of some, that's it. And rather than narrow the morally unacceptable, their Lord arguably widened the definition: you have heard that it was said to the ancients, You shall not commit adultery...but I tell you that when a man looks at a woman with lust for her, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Actually our "liberal" Christian friends could simply drop the Christian. Since there is something to be said for truth in advertising.

[scigirl]

Paul5204,

Just what exactly are you talking about? Are you criticising liberal christians, or poking fun at fundamentalists? I frankly can't tell from your post.

Oh and welcome to II.

scigirl

[FloatingEgg]

I'm straight and I think Colin Farrell is hot too. Just thought I'd throw that in there.

[Groovy Cosmic Monkey]

Paul5204,

This is probably my biggest problem with liberal Christianity - it tames Jesus. Jesus was no moral softy, and certainly didn't refrain from telling it like it is or refrain from demanding our complete and utter devotion to the point of being perfect. Liberal Christians often tend to ignore Jesus' strong words and only take into account his mercy and compassion.

However, this is no reason to believe that Jesus regarded homosexuality as wrong, at least not in the modern understanding of it - two same-sex people with homosexual orientations pursuing a monogamous relationship with one another.

[Pyrrho]

Originally posted by Groovy Cosmic Monkey
Paul5204,

This is probably my biggest problem with liberal Christianity - it tames Jesus. Jesus was no moral softy, and certainly didn't refrain from telling it like it is or refrain from demanding our complete and utter devotion to the point of being perfect. Liberal Christians often tend to ignore Jesus' strong words and only take into account his mercy and compassion.

However, this is no reason to believe that Jesus regarded homosexuality as wrong, at least not in the modern understanding of it - two same-sex people with homosexual orientations pursuing a monogamous relationship with one another.

If we trust what Jesus is supposed to have stated according to the Bible, then we have every reason to suppose that he thought that homosexuals should be put to death:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. KING JAMES VERSION

Here is a piece of the law that should be kept "Till heaven and earth pass", according to Jesus:

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. KING JAMES VERSION

Most Christians, however, ignore the laws that they don't want to bother with, despite the fact that Jesus clearly and unambiguously stated that every last detail of the law should be followed.

[keyser_soze]

Originally posted by Pyrrho
If we trust what Jesus is supposed to have stated according to the Bible, then we have every reason to suppose that he thought that homosexuals should be put to death:



Here is a piece of the law that should be kept "Till heaven and earth pass", according to Jesus:



Most Christians, however, ignore the laws that they don't want to bother with, despite the fact that Jesus clearly and unambiguously stated that every last detail of the law should be followed.

I am reminded of a line from a book, I don't recall which at the moment...but it was someone talking about why catholocism didn't take in japan in the 1500's. One person tells another, "If they had just agreed to make an allowance for divorce, which is very civilized...then all of japan would be catholic. The only problems are divorce and killing, and even christians ignore that one." Anyway, something to that effect.

And speaking to an earlier poster, I've shared a girl with several guys...she was kind of our "mascot" I guess. I don't really think there was a link thing, so much as a horny college guy thing. While personally, I have no problem at all with homosexuality of any variety(very little problem with any sexuality for that matter;) ), I think you are off base with your analysis. And it won't anger anyone here, less yguy or dk that is. We are all just rolling along the same road, no need to get pissed about such a harmless thing. I do however, agree with the poster who saw a potential link with homsexuality, repression, and violence. Every extreme anti homosexual person I have ever met has set off my "gaydar" a little. They are simply individuals who are ashamed of their feelings and drives. And speaking as a straight guy, Sean Connery is THE man. While I am strictly hetero(not by choice, just by my chemical nature--the same as homosexuals are bound by their natures, it's not really a choice thing)...that is one handsome man(though getting a bit on in years now).

[senor boogie woogie]

Hola!

To the original poster (OP).

The reason that you find homosexual sex disgusting, because that it what it is, filthy, degrading disgusting behavior. A man having sex with another man is as beautiful and Godly as having sex with an animal, a child or a family member.

Homosexuality is unnatural behavior, period. Some will tell you that monkeys (Sumatran Orangatangs) engage in homosexual behavior, thus it is natural for man to do the same. The problem is that Man is not an animal, but are special beings of a higher order. This is because that humans have a mind, and each one of us have concepts of right and wrong, even if we ignore it. We also have free will. Thus, a gay person chooses homosexuality.

Your "yuck factor" means that you have made a choice to be a hetrosexual. People like "scigirl" (who I think is a man) will type umpteen paragraphs worth of educated half truths and bullshit, convincing anybody and anyone that just because Harvard, Kinsey or the ACLU tells you something is natural, loving and moral, that it is. It is not.

SENOR

[MortalWombat]

Ah, forget it. Some things should stand on their own, rather than being dignified with a response.

[keyser_soze]

Originally posted by MortalWombat
Ah, forget it. Some things should stand on their own, rather than being dignified with a response.

But if no one bothers to tell him that he is ignorant, he'll never know. That is not doing him a service at all, it is our duty to inform people when they are lacking either a)facts, or b)common sense. And most especially in case of c)complete and utter dipshittedness.

[southernhybrid]

Originally posted by senor boogie woogie
Hola!

To the original poster (OP).

The reason that you find homosexual sex disgusting, because that it what it is, filthy, degrading disgusting behavior. A man having sex with another man is as beautiful and Godly as having sex with an animal, a child or a family member.

Homosexuality is unnatural behavior, period. Some will tell you that monkeys (Sumatran Orangatangs) engage in homosexual behavior, thus it is natural for man to do the same. The problem is that Man is not an animal, but are special beings of a higher order. This is because that humans have a mind, and each one of us have concepts of right and wrong, even if we ignore it. We also have free will. Thus, a gay person chooses homosexuality.

Your "yuck factor" means that you have made a choice to be a hetrosexual. People like "scigirl" (who I think is a man) will type umpteen paragraphs worth of educated half truths and bullshit, convincing anybody and anyone that just because Harvard, Kinsey or the ACLU tells you something is natural, loving and moral, that it is. It is not.

SENOR

How about this response! :rolleyes:

[MortalWombat]

Originally posted by keyser_soze
But if no one bothers to tell him that he is ignorant, he'll never know.He has been told before. Ignorance is both excusable and correctable. Willful ignorance is neither. When I said that it should stand on its own, I was referring to the post in itself as its own worst enemy. There's really not much you can say to make the person look any worse than what he wrote himself in these cases.

[keyser_soze]

Originally posted by MortalWombat
He has been told before. Ignorance is both excusable and correctable. Willful ignorance is neither. When I said that it should stand on its own, I was referring to the post in itself as its own worst enemy. There's really not much you can say to make the person look any worse than what he wrote himself in these cases.
Ah, I see. I had no recollection of him, so I was unaware that he was a consistent bigot instead of a happenstance one.

[Diadectes]

People like "scigirl" (who I think is a man)


Feeling a little threatened are we, senor?

[Lonely_Road_Of_Faith]

Originally posted by senor boogie woogie
Hola!

To the original poster (OP).

The reason that you find homosexual sex disgusting, because that it what it is, filthy, degrading disgusting behavior. A man having sex with another man is as beautiful and Godly as having sex with an animal, a child or a family member.

Homosexuality is unnatural behavior, period. Some will tell you that monkeys (Sumatran Orangatangs) engage in homosexual behavior, thus it is natural for man to do the same. The problem is that Man is not an animal, but are special beings of a higher order. This is because that humans have a mind, and each one of us have concepts of right and wrong, even if we ignore it. We also have free will. Thus, a gay person chooses homosexuality.

Your "yuck factor" means that you have made a choice to be a hetrosexual. People like "scigirl" (who I think is a man) will type umpteen paragraphs worth of educated half truths and bullshit, convincing anybody and anyone that just because Harvard, Kinsey or the ACLU tells you something is natural, loving and moral, that it is. It is not.

SENOR

Personally, I think your attitude is just plain rididculous.

When animals engage in homosexual behavior it's usually an issue of dominance, rather then sexuality. (Either that or my neighbor has a gay Laborador retriever)

Personally I think homosexuality is somewhat disgusting, and I'm straight. My friend Greg thinks heterosexual sex is just a lil' bit nasty too, but then he's gay.

"Morals" is often an entirely subjective term. You might define my friend's sexuality as immoral, but he's monogamous, and an all around decent, moral person in my opinion.

He doesn't fool around a lot or have unsafe sex or multiple partners or date lots of people or be cruel and manipulative. So he's got better morals then me, at least in that respect. I've done all these things,,,or at least I did 'til last fall, I realized that I had a problem, I've since become a Christian (again) and I'm in a committed relationship.

As far as your comment about "educated half-truths" well, there's many more "uneducated half-truths" perpetuated by those who have an agenda of some sort. Besides, it's just plain rude to assume that somebody with "girl" in their username is a man.

Just my opinion.

LROF

[scigirl]

Originally posted by senor boogie woogie
The reason that you find homosexual sex disgusting, because that it what it is, filthy, degrading disgusting behavior.
And using the same organ to piss and have sex is so beautiful and great. :rolleyes:

Thus, a gay person chooses homosexuality.
No they don't.

People like "scigirl" (who I think is a man)
Why, because I"m smarter than you, and you are also a sexist pig, in addition to being a homophobe?

Click here. (http://www.sneddens.net/images/scigirl.jpg)

will type umpteen paragraphs worth of educated half truths and bullshit, convincing anybody and anyone that just because Harvard, Kinsey or the ACLU tells you something is natural, loving and moral, that it is. It is not.
I didn't use Harvard, the ACLU, or Kinsey in any of my arguments. Perhaps you should actually read them before you criticise them.

scigirl

[winstonjen]

Originally posted by scigirl
Why, because I"m smarter than you, and you are also a sexist pig, in addition to being a homophobe?

Click here. (http://www.sneddens.net/images/scigirl.jpg)


Amazing, Senor - she's with your family members! :D

[Evolutionist]

I personally find it disgusting that any man would have an interest in giving oral sex to a woman. Vaginas, in my opinion, are quite revolting.

never had a problem with it personally. though i find the penis one of the most unattractive things on earth- definately the most unattractive thing on a guys body (but i suppose the chuff box isn't that nice either...). i suppose it works both ways then- many girls (according to my female friends) think vaginas are vulgar, and most guys think the same way about penises...

actually the best thing i heard was on one of those problem pages from my exs' girlie mags. apparently, the reader had a
"penis phobia". the answer back agreed, saying they "look purple and angry-looking"... i laughed so hard i fell off the throne...

:D

[Pyrrho]

Originally posted by scigirl

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Originally posted by senor boogie woogie

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People like "scigirl" (who I think is a man)
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Why, because I"m smarter than you, and you are also a sexist pig, in addition to being a homophobe?

Click here. (http://www.sneddens.net/images/scigirl.jpg)

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scigirl

Hmmm, scigirl, aside from being one of the more intelligent people who post here, you're one of the prettiest men I've ever seen. Maybe I'm gay after all.

[pmurray]

Originally posted by Groovy Cosmic Monkey
Many gay people also find heterosexual sex "yucky". I personally find it disgusting that any man would have an interest in giving oral sex to a woman. Vaginas, in my opinion, are quite revolting.

Sex is yucky, full stop. Kissing is yucky. Even eating is ycky, if you think about it: you put stuff in your mouth, then chew it up and mix it with spit, then swallow it all down.

So why do we do it? The pleasure - the anticipation of pleasure - allows us to ignore the yuck factor, somehow.

Another examples: intravenous drug users have absolutely no problem shooting up, to the extent of describing the act in similar language to how people describe sex.

[trunks2k]

Even eating is ycky, if you think about it: you put stuff in your mouth, then chew it up and mix it with spit, then swallow it all down.

I KNOW! I can't stand watching people eat. I have a very tough time looking people directly in the face when they eat. I can stomach it if they are chewing a small amount. But when they take a bite, or are chewing a lot, forget it.

[nermal]

Regarding the "yuk" factor, I must admit feeling it as well, but I rationalize it thus:

The idea of homosexual sex is repugnant to me on a very primitive level. It initiates in me the same nasty physiological reaction as the idea of eating brussel sprouts.
I don't mind, however, if anyone else eats brussel sprouts, or engages in homosexual sex.

Ed

[scigirl]

For those of you who think homosexual sex is "yucky" I have a question for you, if you don't mind. . .

Do you find hetero anal sex to be just as yucky?

If not, than clearly it isn't the *act* you find gross, but rather something more complicated. Like an ingrained male territorial thing, or whatever. . .

scigirl

[trunks2k]

Originally posted by scigirl

If not, than clearly it isn't the *act* you find gross, but rather something more complicated. Like an ingrained male territorial thing, or whatever. . .

scigirl

My personl opinion is that male homosexuality, takes away the feeling of sexual dominance that most men have. A man can rape a girl rather easily, but it's much harder for a woman to rape a man, and it almost never happens. Add gay men into the picture, suddenly males are as sexually vunerable as a girl.

[keyser_soze]

Originally posted by scigirl
For those of you who think homosexual sex is "yucky" I have a question for you, if you don't mind. . .

Do you find hetero anal sex to be just as yucky?

If not, than clearly it isn't the *act* you find gross, but rather something more complicated. Like an ingrained male territorial thing, or whatever. . .

scigirl


Anal sex with women is great! I don't know if I consider homosexual sex to be yucky from an aesthetic basis or not. I intellectually shouldn't, as I know it is precious little different from hetero sex, but I have a certain repugnance for the act. But then again, some of my best friends are fags and hags...No, it can't be any different, so I don't understand this repugnance..but then again, it's much like my initial repugnance to eating living squid and the like, and that changed upon trying it. But I'm happy being hetero, and married, so I think I will skip the trial phase on this one.

[Godless Dave]

I'm a het male, and I think anal sex with a girl is yucky. Just my opinion.

I don't remember ever choosing to be heterosexual, or rejecting the seductive appeal (sarcasm) of having sex with other men.

But if scigirl is a man, I want to be gay!