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Evolutionist
August 14, 2003, 06:14 AM
guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4257777,00.html)

A guided missile corrects its trajectory as it flies, homing in, say, on the heat of a jet plane's exhaust. A great improvement on a simple ballistic shell, it still cannot discriminate particular targets. It could not zero in on a designated New York skyscraper if launched from as far away as Boston.

That is precisely what a modern "smart missile" can do. Computer miniaturisation has advanced to the point where one of today's smart missiles could be programmed with an image of the Manhattan skyline together with instructions to home in on the north tower of the World Trade Centre. Smart missiles of this sophistication are possessed by the United States, as we learned in the Gulf war, but they are economically beyond ordinary terrorists and scientifically beyond theocratic governments. Might there be a cheaper and easier alternative?

In the second world war, before electronics became cheap and miniature, the psychologist BF Skinner did some research on pigeon-guided missiles. The pigeon was to sit in a tiny cockpit, having previously been trained to peck keys in such a way as to keep a designated target in the centre of a screen. In the missile, the target would be for real.

The principle worked, although it was never put into practice by the US authorities. Even factoring in the costs of training them, pigeons are cheaper and lighter than computers of comparable effectiveness. Their feats in Skinner's boxes suggest that a pigeon, after a regimen of training with colour slides, really could guide a missile to a distinctive landmark at the southern end of Manhattan island. The pigeon has no idea that it is guiding a missile. It just keeps on pecking at those two tall rectangles on the screen, from time to time a food reward drops out of the dispenser, and this goes on until... oblivion.

Pigeons may be cheap and disposable as on-board guidance systems, but there's no escaping the cost of the missile itself. And no such missile large enough to do much damage could penetrate US air space without being intercepted. What is needed is a missile that is not recognised for what it is until too late. Something like a large civilian airliner, carrying the innocuous markings of a well-known carrier and a great deal of fuel. That's the easy part. But how do you smuggle on board the necessary guidance system? You can hardly expect the pilots to surrender the left-hand seat to a pigeon or a computer.

How about using humans as on-board guidance systems, instead of pigeons? Humans are at least as numerous as pigeons, their brains are not significantly costlier than pigeon brains, and for many tasks they are actually superior. Humans have a proven track record in taking over planes by the use of threats, which work because the legitimate pilots value their own lives and those of their passengers.

The natural assumption that the hijacker ultimately values his own life too, and will act rationally to preserve it, leads air crews and ground staff to make calculated decisions that would not work with guidance modules lacking a sense of self-preservation. If your plane is being hijacked by an armed man who, though prepared to take risks, presumably wants to go on living, there is room for bargaining. A rational pilot complies with the hijacker's wishes, gets the plane down on the ground, has hot food sent in for the passengers and leaves the negotiations to people trained to negotiate.

The problem with the human guidance system is precisely this. Unlike the pigeon version, it knows that a successful mission culminates in its own destruction. Could we develop a biological guidance system with the compliance and dispensability of a pigeon but with a man's resourcefulness and ability to infiltrate plausibly? What we need, in a nutshell, is a human who doesn't mind being blown up. He'd make the perfect on-board guidance system. But suicide enthusiasts are hard to find. Even terminal cancer patients might lose their nerve when the crash was actually looming.

Could we get some otherwise normal humans and somehow persuade them that they are not going to die as a consequence of flying a plane smack into a skyscraper? If only! Nobody is that stupid, but how about this - it's a long shot, but it just might work. Given that they are certainly going to die, couldn't we sucker them into believing that they are going to come to life again afterwards? Don't be daft! No, listen, it might work. Offer them a fast track to a Great Oasis in the Sky, cooled by everlasting fountains. Harps and wings wouldn't appeal to the sort of young men we need, so tell them there's a special martyr's reward of 72 virgin brides, guaranteed eager and exclusive.

Would they fall for it? Yes, testosterone-sodden young men too unattractive to get a woman in this world might be desperate enough to go for 72 private virgins in the next.

It's a tall story, but worth a try. You'd have to get them young, though. Feed them a complete and self-consistent background mythology to make the big lie sound plausible when it comes. Give them a holy book and make them learn it by heart. Do you know, I really think it might work. As luck would have it, we have just the thing to hand: a ready-made system of mind-control which has been honed over centuries, handed down through generations. Millions of people have been brought up in it. It is called religion and, for reasons which one day we may understand, most people fall for it (nowhere more so than America itself, though the irony passes unnoticed). Now all we need is to round up a few of these faith-heads and give them flying lessons.

Facetious? Trivialising an unspeakable evil? That is the exact opposite of my intention, which is deadly serious and prompted by deep grief and fierce anger. I am trying to call attention to the elephant in the room that everybody is too polite - or too devout - to notice: religion, and specifically the devaluing effect that religion has on human life. I don't mean devaluing the life of others (though it can do that too), but devaluing one's own life. Religion teaches the dangerous nonsense that death is not the end.

If death is final, a rational agent can be expected to value his life highly and be reluctant to risk it. This makes the world a safer place, just as a plane is safer if its hijacker wants to survive. At the other extreme, if a significant number of people convince themselves, or are convinced by their priests, that a martyr's death is equivalent to pressing the hyperspace button and zooming through a wormhole to another universe, it can make the world a very dangerous place. Especially if they also believe that that other universe is a paradisical escape from the tribulations of the real world. Top it off with sincerely believed, if ludicrous and degrading to women, sexual promises, and is it any wonder that naive and frustrated young men are clamouring to be selected for suicide missions?

There is no doubt that the afterlife-obsessed suicidal brain really is a weapon of immense power and danger. It is comparable to a smart missile, and its guidance system is in many respects superior to the most sophisticated electronic brain that money can buy. Yet to a cynical government, organisation, or priesthood, it is very very cheap.

Our leaders have described the recent atrocity with the customary cliche: mindless cowardice. "Mindless" may be a suitable word for the vandalising of a telephone box. It is not helpful for understanding what hit New York on September 11. Those people were not mindless and they were certainly not cowards. On the contrary, they had sufficiently effective minds braced with an insane courage, and it would pay us mightily to understand where that courage came from.

It came from religion. Religion is also, of course, the underlying source of the divisiveness in the Middle East which motivated the use of this deadly weapon in the first place. But that is another story and not my concern here. My concern here is with the weapon itself. To fill a world with religion, or religions of the Abrahamic kind, is like littering the streets with loaded guns. Do not be surprised if they are used.

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Although I've read most of his books and find him an excellent biologist, I always kind of wince when he talks about religion... Even thogh secretly I might even agree with him..

Heathen Dawn
August 14, 2003, 07:27 AM
That article KICKS BUTT!

The first time I read it, I thought, "at last a man who calls a spade a spade! At last, someone who says what others need to say but are too afraid to say!"

I did my own slight service to humanity by translating the article to Hebrew for the Jewish Secularism website I work with.

Great, simply great. The right words at the right time.

Secular Pinoy
August 14, 2003, 08:04 AM
I actually don't like Dawkins' abrasive brand of antitheism. But if want that sort of thing, then you might like this:

Heathen Dawn
August 14, 2003, 08:23 AM
Hey, the text file is in Unix format (LF instead of MS-DOS CR LF). Lucky I have a converter.

Yes, I try to be more compassionate and less mocking than Dawkins. But theism, especially Abrahamic theism, is a serious matter, so I commend Dawkins for his straightforwardness.

Evolutionist
August 14, 2003, 03:56 PM
humph. i don't have a converter obviously. it's going to take me ages to read that! made my head hurt... :boohoo:

Secular Pinoy
August 14, 2003, 06:09 PM
Oops, I'm really sorry! I use Textpad, and it reads UNIX and PC txt files the same, so sometimes I forget to check if my copy is in UNIX format. :p

Evolutionist
August 14, 2003, 06:27 PM
just copied it to word... ahh, much better... :p

Hopeful Monsters
August 15, 2003, 10:22 AM
I too always found Professor Richard Dawkins too abrasive and almost bitter about religion - but I find this article outstanding, insightful and brave.

I have really come 'round to Dawkins a lot recently - he is a good thinker (clear and methodical) and that's what comes out in his writing - look at the article that helped turn emotional into Heathen Dawn - a great piece or what?

Good and Bad Reasons for Believing (by Dawkins) (http://www.fortunecity.com/emachines/e11/86/dawkins2.html)

Of course you can go into google with 'Richard Dawkins' and 'religion' and you'll find a lot of his work on this topic.

DigitalChicken
August 15, 2003, 10:31 AM
One mistake Dawkins makes is to attack religion generally. This is a mistake that we atheists tend to make. Religion is not going away so attacking it generally isn't going to do much good.

I do agree with him pinpointing the source of the fanactical 9/11 attacks and other problems, but he generally fails to recognize that religion isn't going away and in fact is often a source of jsut the opposite behaviour than he describes here as well.

DC

Secular Pinoy
August 15, 2003, 10:42 AM
He probably thinks that, through his "science" of memes, that religion can be done away with, as long as there is a conscious effort to perpetuate alternate memes.

DigitalChicken
August 15, 2003, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by Secular Pinoy
He probably thinks that, through his "science" of memes, that religion can be done away with, as long as there is a conscious effort to perpetuate alternate memes.

Why would you or can you do away with something that is part of the human psyche?

Religion is not the problem. It's superstition.

DC

Secular Pinoy
August 15, 2003, 07:07 PM
Oh, I agree with you. I have no beef with religion, maybe not even with some superstitions, all I want is a world without fundamentalism, religious, secular or political.

I just pointed out a possible reason why Dawkins might believe that religion could be overcome. I personally do not accept memetics.

DigitalChicken
August 15, 2003, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Secular Pinoy
Oh, I agree with you. I have no beef with religion, maybe not even with some superstitions, all I want is a world without fundamentalism, religious, secular or political.

I just pointed out a possible reason why Dawkins might believe that religion could be overcome. I personally do not accept memetics.

I am in full agreement with you.

DC

sodium
August 16, 2003, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by DigitalChicken
Why would you or can you do away with something that is part of the human psyche?

Religion is not the problem. It's superstition.

DC

It seems to me that judging by current trends, religion is going away, at least in parts of the world. Maybe the decline of religion won't continue, but I don't see why.

And who is "the human" you refer to when you say that religion is part of the human psyche? Religion is a part of the psyche of some humans, and not of others.

And what is the difference between religion and superstition? And even if there is a difference, are they not mutually re-enforcing?

Santas little helper
August 17, 2003, 01:41 AM
The Dawkins quote has non sequiturs all over the place.

If death is final, a rational agent can be expected to value his life highly and be
reluctant to risk it.

I don't see why.People commit suicide.They do dangerous sports.They fight for their
country.And didn't Schopenhauer say that the best thing to do is kill one's self or something ?


Right after the above quote we have

This makes the world a safer place, <snip>

Again I don't see why.Valuing other peoples lives would make the world a safer place.
But valuing one's own will hardly have an impact.Have we any reason to believe that Hitler
for example didn't value his life ?

Top it off with sincerely believed, if ludicrous and degrading to women, sexual promises,
and is it any wonder that naive and frustrated
young men are clamouring to be selected for suicide missions?

What is so ridiculous about a man wanting virgins completely devoted to him ? There are
obvious evolutionary reasons for such preferences and I'm sure Dawkins knows that.

Here's the best:


Would they fall for it? Yes, testosterone-sodden young men too unattractive to get a woman
in this world might be desperate enough to go for 72 private virgins in the next.

So the perpetrators of Sep. 11 couldn't get laid so that's why they did what they did.
Oh dear...

On the contrary, they had sufficiently effective minds braced with an insane courage,
and it would pay us mightily to understand where that courage came from.

It came from religion.

Couldn't it be that the courage came from desperation ? And that the only purpose of religious
faith was to make sure that they weren't going to chicken out at the final moment ?

Religion is also, of course, the underlying source of the divisiveness
in the Middle East which motivated the use of this deadly weapon in the first place.

Really ? And here I was thinking that divisiveness comes from the fact that a certain nation
occupies the land and denies basic human rights of another nation.And it so happens that
this first nation enjoys the full support of U.S.A. Which perhaps might better help
to explain why some people are so pissed off with U.S.A. rather than religious faith.

The_Unknown_Banana
August 17, 2003, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by Santas little helper

I think I disagree with your whole post.

I don't see why.People commit suicide.They do dangerous sports.They fight for their
country.And didn't Schopenhauer say that the best thing to do is kill one's self or something ?
I'd think people commit suicide mostly because they feel that nothingness would be better than life, however there would probably be more people choosing suicide if it didn't actually mean dying. Dangerous sports wouldn't be quite so dangerous if you couldn't possibly die because of it. People fighting for their country still get scared, and might even be better soldiers if they truly believed that they'd go to a better place when they die anyway.

I think it's reasonable to say that people who believe death is final would be more likely to place a higher value on their life.


Again I don't see why.Valuing other peoples lives would make the world a safer place.
But valuing one's own will hardly have an impact.Have we any reason to believe that Hitler
for example didn't value his life ?

I'd say it'd have to be a combination. The sept. 11 people obviously had no value for other's lives, but what made them even more dangerous is that they didn't care about their own either.


What is so ridiculous about a man wanting virgins completely devoted to him ? There are
obvious evolutionary reasons for such preferences and I'm sure Dawkins knows that.

A man wanting 72 virgins probably isn't ludicrous. I think it's more believing that such a thing can occur that is ludicrous, as well as how it is degrading to women - making them out to be objects rather than people. (though from what I gather that's nothing unusual in some of those countries)


So the perpetrators of Sep. 11 couldn't get laid so that's why they did what they did.
Oh dear...

I doubt this is intended to be taken as the only reason for it, although I imagine that since they did do it to get to heaven (ie. where 72 virgins await them.), it's probably not really that ridiculous an assumption imo :P

the only purpose of religious
faith was to make sure that they weren't going to chicken out at the final moment ?
That's the whole point of the article isn't it? They don't chicken out when faced with death at the final moment, because they know death is not the end.

the_cave
August 17, 2003, 08:14 PM
As a theist, I nevertheless appreciate Dawkins' efforts to prevent the horrific lunacy that the suicide bombers of 9/11 perpetrated. He's certainly right to casigate any thoughts they might have had of receiving a reward in the afterlife for their actions.

However, I feel he's wrong to claim that an idea in the afterlife came "from religion". It's certainly debatable, but I feel that a belief in the afterlife is simply a natural part of the human psyche; rather, organized religion came in part from it.

I'm not saying there aren't parts of our psyches we shouldn't repress. Such as, the desire to murder thousands for any reason whatsoever.

Furthermore, I think it's simplistic to assume that the bombers were purely motivated by the thought of an afterlife paradise. Culture, politics, and socioeconomics had a great deal to do with it.

I mean, the Greeks and Romans wrote thousands of lines of poetry about heroes who believed they were destined for no more than a dim existence as a shade in the underworld, who nevertheless sacrificed themselves in the name of honor, family, clan, or even just plain old posterity.

I should add that although Dawkins and I would clearly have some differences, and I am not the biggest fan of his works, his letter to Juliet was rather touching.

DigitalChicken
August 18, 2003, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by sodium
It seems to me that judging by current trends, religion is going away, at least in parts of the world. Maybe the decline of religion won't continue, but I don't see why.

Again if you equate religion to superstition this will be an impossible conversation as they are not the exact equals.

I think you are simply mistaken about the facts. Islam is growing. Christianity is growing in certain parts of the world. Many irreligious places are growing in mainstram religions.

Originally posted by sodium
And who is "the human" you refer to when you say that religion is part of the human psyche? Religion is a part of the psyche of some humans, and not of others.

I am not speaking of individuals. I am speaking of the states of minds and affairs which have been apart of all human cultures. Again I am not equating religion with superstition. Superstition often arises from the rational "pattern seeking animal" in us as Shermer would say.

And what is the difference between religion and superstition? And even if there is a difference, are they not mutually re-enforcing?

One deals with social interaction as it relates to answering and dealing with subjective personal questions. The other is simply belief, practice, or rite irrationally maintained by ignorance of the laws of nature. Of course religions can contain superstion and usually do but That is a course of history and not because of religion itself.

I would call Unitarian Universalists (that happen to be non-theists), Ethical Culturists, many Zen Buddhists, Church of Freethoughters and Community of Reason members "religious" but I wouldn't call them superstitious.

DC

[edit for grammar error]

DigitalChicken
August 18, 2003, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by the_cave
However, I feel he's wrong to claim that an idea in the afterlife came "from religion". It's certainly debatable, but I feel that a belief in the afterlife is simply a natural part of the human psyche; rather, organized religion came in part from it.


Nonsense. When I believed in an afterlife it wasn't natural. I was taught that there was an afterlife just as I was taught there was a god.

DC

Heathen Dawn
August 18, 2003, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by Santas little helper
Couldn't it be that the courage came from desperation ?


What desperation? Most of the suicide pilots were filthy-rich Saudi Arabians!


Really ? And here I was thinking that divisiveness comes from the fact that a certain nation
occupies the land and denies basic human rights of another nation.And it so happens that
this first nation enjoys the full support of U.S.A. Which perhaps might better help
to explain why some people are so pissed off with U.S.A. rather than religious faith.

Israel is just an excuse. The fact is that Islam is programmed for world domination. The Europeans have not been supportive of Israel, but they too are on the hit-list for Islamic takeover.

I recommend this article as an aid to understanding what is really going on:

The Rationalist Folly (http://www.jewishmediaresources.com/article/222/) by Jonathan Rosenblum

Wyz_sub10
August 20, 2003, 05:57 PM
This is tending toward a GRD topic.

wade-w
August 20, 2003, 06:33 PM
That is a very interesting article. However, I think he is slightly off the mark. The real problem, imo, is not religion per se, but fanaticism. Sure, we see fanaticism coupled with religion all the time. We generally call it “fundamentalism”. But a fanatic is just as dangerous when his cause is not religion. I will grant that religion seems to generate more fanatics than any other cause I can think of, however.

sodium
August 20, 2003, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by DigitalChicken
I think you are simply mistaken about the facts. Islam is growing. Christianity is growing in certain parts of the world. Many irreligious places are growing in mainstram religions.


My point isn't that I expect a world full of atheists by 2010. It's just that I don't see religion as some integral, unavoidable part of the human condition. It is true that Islam and Christianity are growing, at the expense of African paganism. I believe witch-burnings are on the increase as well, but that doesn't mean I think that they are unavoidable. In much of the developed world, religion is on the decline. People can do without it.


One deals with social interaction as it relates to answering and dealing with subjective personal questions. The other is simply belief, practice, or rite irrationally maintained by ignorance of the laws of nature. Of course religions can contain superstion and usually do but That is a course of history and not because of religion itself.


Would you say that if Christianity (or Islam) is true, it is a religion, but if, for example, there is no God, then it is a superstition?

Diadectes
August 21, 2003, 02:15 AM
However, I feel he's wrong to claim that an idea in the afterlife came "from religion". It's certainly debatable, but I feel that a belief in the afterlife is simply a natural part of the human psyche; rather, organized religion came in part from it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Jews of the OT didn't believe in an afterlife, did they? Didn't stop them cobbling together a religion.

Normal
August 21, 2003, 02:33 AM
This article completely ignores people who do things out of moral character alone and not belief in an afterlife. If people tell me the effect of piloting a plane into the WTC is going to help my children, some people might consider that morally worth dying for, with or without an afterlife.

Evolutionist
August 21, 2003, 06:55 AM
The real problem, imo, is not religion per se, but fanaticism.
interesting you say that, Massimo Pigliucci wrote an article in "Rationally Speaking" which addresses that topic:

[At the cost of oversimplifying an overly complex situation, I propose that the major threat to modern democracies is not terrorism per se, but ideological fundamentalism, particularly of a religious nature. Political fundamentalism has now essentially disappeared, at least for now, with Fidel Castro as one of the few pathetic remnants, destined to soon disappear naturally into oblivion, like all mortals.

No,the real problem is religious fundamentalism, and in particular the one rooted in the twin monotheistic branches of Christianity and Islam (with Judaism ranking as a distant third only because it is numerically much less represented worldwide). This is not, of course, because every (or even the majority) of fundamentalist Christians, Muslims and Jews are willing to blow themselves into pieces to achieve a political goal, or because they are all bent toward the destruction of everything and everyone that disagrees with them. Far from it. But the fact remains that fundamentalism of any sort, by definition a form of extremism and therefore ill-suited to live within a democratic and pluralistic society, easily breeds intolerance, self-righteousness, and even more extremes, of which the world has experienced the consequences all too clearly during the past few years.

Let us not make the mistake of dismissing the problem as simply a modern incarnation of the old (and certainly true) observation that political power exploits religious feelings, and that therefore the problem is with the greed for power and with people like Saddam Hussein (or George Bush) who want power and find it easy to manipulate the masses using religious appeals. There surely is part of that going on too, but George W. Bush, I think, really believes that God is on his side, and so do Tony Blair, Hussein, Bin Laden, and a host of other characters that are concurring in making a mess of the just-born 21st century.

The extremes to which Islamic fundamentalists (including Palestinians and their leader Arafat, currently as pathetic as, but much more dangerous than, Castro) can go in the name of their version of the universal truth are well known and need not be belabored here. But the New York Times has recently reported some comments by "mainstream" politicians in the US and Israel that should be chilling to the bone of every rational and truly compassionate human being. For example, Benyamin Elon, a minister with the current Israeli government, has been quoted as referring to cardinal principles of the Palestinian-Israeli accord such as the idea of land-for-piece as "cliches" to be overcome, and has essentially called for ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. As an exponent of the latter as pointed out, can we imagine what would happen if somebody made the same casual suggestion about moving Jews out of their unhappy land?

On this side of the Atlantic things aren't much better. The extremes of the Christian right are now documented in books upon books, but a recent addition is a declaration by Gary Bauer, of American Values, who said (again quoted in the NYT) that conservative Christians must accept the Abrahamic Covenant as described in Genesis, by which God personally promised the land of Israel to the Jews, and that's that. Tom DeLay (the House majority leader) has been quoted in the same newspaper as referring to the West Bank using the biblical names of Judea and Samaria!

It is simply astounding that a species that has conquered space, split the atom, figured out the essentials of where it came from evolutionarily, and has invented democracy, is currently in the hands of a bunch of nut cases who still believe in the literal reading of a book written by ignoramuses several thousand years ago! How can we vote into office, support, and take seriously a political class that on the one hand uses computers and airplanes, but on the other firmly believes in the actual existence of heaven and hell, concepts obviously invented by primitive human beings who slaughtered each other with swords and arrows? How much longer are we going to leave the future of the world in the hands of deluded minds who are so sure of their own viewpoint that they constantly affirm God is on their side (on all of their sides, of course)?

I keep hearing of the existence of a "silent majority" of moderately religious people in Western democracies and even among Muslims and Jews, who apparently have a distaste for the outrages of the nut cases that run them. Where is this silent majority? Isn't it time to wake up and kick these guys out of office (or, if not elected, out of Mosques, Churches, and Synagogues)? The recent worldwide anti-war demonstrations may have been a signal that people are in fact waking up. But let's keep the alarm clock ringing loud, or Bush, Bin Laden & co. will plunge us all back into the Dark Ages, real soon. And we call them "dark" for reasons other than the fact that electricity hadn't been invented yet.]

Rationally Speaking (http://atheists.home.att.net/massimo/200306.htm)

Hopeful Monsters
August 21, 2003, 07:39 AM
Originally posted by Evolutionist

Massimo Pigliucci: "It is simply astounding that a species that has conquered space, split the atom, figured out the essentials of where it came from evolutionarily, and has invented democracy, is currently in the hands of a bunch of nut cases who still believe in the literal reading of a book written by ignoramuses several thousand years ago! How can we vote into office, support, and take seriously a political class that on the one hand uses computers and airplanes, but on the other firmly believes in the actual existence of heaven and hell, concepts obviously invented by primitive human beings who slaughtered each other with swords and arrows? How much longer are we going to leave the future of the world in the hands of deluded minds who are so sure of their own viewpoint that they constantly affirm God is on their side (on all of their sides, of course)?"

Very well said Massimo Pigliucci . :notworthy

If only Tony Blair had THAT in his address to Congress earlier this year.

In other words - we need high profile people telling it like it is in the right place at the right time to start WAKING PEOPLE UP. :mad:

Evolutionist
August 21, 2003, 08:26 AM
given a choice between pigliucci and dawkins, i'd have to choose pigliucci- but it would be close...

Secular Pinoy
August 21, 2003, 07:09 PM
Well, in terms of anti-religious rhetoric, Dawkins writes better. But Pigliucci attacks religion more often in his writings. And I would hope they tone down a damn lot.

And in terms of their science, I prefer Pigliucci's pluralistic approach to evolution (phenotye selection and some EvoDevo), rather than Dawkins' silly selfish replicators, extended phenotypes and memes.