An Audio Debate With Kent Hovind

[Minnesota]

I lifted the following from http://www.christianforums.com/t14774
which was created and provided by Reginald V. Finley, Sr., who deserves all credit for its content.

A Debate With Kent Hovind An online debate between Dr.Massimo Pigliucci and Mr. Kent Hovind.

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The debate was a record turn-out. Over 300 people listened LIVE. Thousands more listening everyday. Check this out.

It's rather educational and fun.

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[RufusAtticus]

I have it saved somewhere on my computer, I've never listened to it. There is an old thread on it around here somewhere.

[Monkey]

From Hovind:

"Time is your God"

:banghead:

[JaeIsGod]

Im listening to it right now. I never listened to Hovind before , so im curious what all the fuss is about.

[Data]

"I want to see an animal changing to a plant"

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Evolutionist]

hey, is there anywhere else where i could listen to more audio debates- a gish one would be very interesting to listen to. i've heard a lot about the gish gallop (i think they called it the gish gallop anyways) but have never actually heard it. i'm assuming it's much like hovind and his usage of scientific absurdaties...

listening to that, btw, made my head actually throb. hovind has been utterly thrashed on all topics about evolution for years, why can't he see that?

[thebeave]

Originally posted by Minnesota
I lifted the following from http://www.christianforums.com/t14774
which was created and provided by Reginald V. Finley, Sr., who deserves all credit for its content.

I cry foul and unfair! A debate between Dr. Massimo Pigliucci and Mr. Kent Hovind? Isn't that a bit like Carl Sagan debating Woody Woodpecker?

[Duvenoy]

Over at Skeptic Friends, we have named a new species of frog after Dr. Gish: Rana gishi :D

Hovind will always be my favorite anti-thought proponent. This man is so confused, and so puffed up with his own reputation (:rolleyes: ) that he's about out of touch with most of reality.

Adding in legal problems, I'm wondering how much longer he's going to last.

doov

[theyeti]

Originally posted by Duvenoy
Adding in legal problems, I'm wondering how much longer he's going to last.

I hope that Hovind lasts a very long time. He's the best evidence against creationism there is.

theyeti

[Albion]

As long as creationists reserve their scepticism for evolution and carry on being totally uncritcal of the creationist ministries, he'll last as long as he wants to. This stuff is big business for the creationist ministry leaders.

[Jayjay]

I think I've listened to this debate... is it the one where Hovind at one point gets very defensive when he thinks his opponent tried to talk about his problems with IRS or something (I don't recall if he actually did it, or whether it was just Hovind's own paranoia)?

[Duvenoy]

Originally posted by Albion
As long as creationists reserve their scepticism for evolution and carry on being totally uncritcal of the creationist ministries, he'll last as long as he wants to. This stuff is big business for the creationist ministry leaders.

True enough, but some of the mainstream (mainstream?) creation outfits like AiG are edging away from Hovind, and heve even rebuked him.

I think his popularity will wane.

doov

[Evolutionist]

think I've listened to this debate... is it the one where Hovind at one point gets very defensive when he thinks his opponent tried to talk about his problems with IRS or something (I don't recall if he actually did it, or whether it was just Hovind's own paranoia)?

no in this one he gets terribly upset that someone calls him "Mr", rather than "Dr"... lol

thats before he calls "time" god to evolutionists.. *groan* :banghead: :banghead:

[Division By Zero]

"I object to it being called creationISM. It should [also] be evolutionISM, as in communism, Marxism, socialism, Nazism."

This line is a keeper.

[Evolutionist]

and what, pray tell, is wrong with nazism? :D

[openeyes]

Originally posted by Evolutionist
no in this one he gets terribly upset that someone calls him "Mr", rather than "Dr"... lol

thats before he calls "time" god to evolutionists.. *groan* :banghead: :banghead: I've only listened to part of it, but yes, "Dr" Hovind takes offense that the moderator refers to Pagliucci as "Dr" and Hovind as "Mr". He doesn't think that it should make any difference that the university he received his doctorate from is non-accredited. Credentials, bah! :rolleyes:

[Division By Zero]

Just finished listening to the entire thing- time flies when you're listening to Kent Hovind getting trashed.

I think my personal "favorite" part of the show was near the end when a listener called Hovind on the dishonesty of his $250,000 Challenge- and he totally dodged the question by trying to weasel back into the "dogs into pine trees" issue. It's too bad the format of the debate didn't allow the caller and Dr. Pigliucci to push the issue further. All in all, though, listening was a highly enjoyable way to spend two and a half hours.

[GodLessWarrior]

I think my personal "favorite" part of the show was near the end when a listener called Hovind on the dishonesty of his $250,000 Challenge- and he totally dodged the question by trying to weasel back into the "dogs into pine trees" issue. It's too bad the format of the debate didn't allow the caller and Dr. Pigliucci to push the issue further. All in all, though, listening was a highly enjoyable way to spend two and a half hours.

Kick ass, that listener was me!! He was running a small contest for a free subscription to the person who called in with the best question. I wound up winning too.

My favorite part was how he said that the T-REX was not a meat eater!!

[ediacaran]

And don't forget the classical retort, at once refuting all of evolutionary biolgy, "[after being called on the his minimal knowledge of speciation and divergence]...And yet you think humans and dogs came from a rock!" What can one say after such a flagrantly specious non-objection? :banghead: In all seriousness however, Dr. Pigliucci does an admirable job of undermining Hovind's superficial and, ultimately, pseudoscientific arguments.

[Duvenoy]

Originally posted by GodLessWarrior
Kick ass, that listener was me!! He was running a small contest for a free subscription to the person who called in with the best question. I wound up winning too.

My favorite part was how he said that the T-REX was not a meat eater!!

Congrats, GW!

Was it Hovind that once stated that 'we' used to kill T-rex by tearing off it's tiny arms? :eek:

I could be wrong, but I think it was. I looked, but can't find a reference.

A favorite quote:

__________________
Well, now, hold it. If you want to just pick one item and that's supposed to prove relationship, did you know that human Cytochrom [sic] C is closest to a sunflower? So really the sunflowers are our closest relative folks.
--Kent Hovind

Doesn't that little gem just suck the IQ right out of you?

doov

[Division By Zero]

Originally posted by GodLessWarrior
Kick ass, that listener was me!! He was running a small contest for a free subscription to the person who called in with the best question. I wound up winning too.
Excellent! Congratulations on winning, and on making Hovind squirm even more than he was before :D

[Donnmathan]

GodLessWarrior:

That was fantastic! Just got done listening; your point about the reward is true, and kind of proves that it's just another creationist dodge.

One must ask - if MR. Hovlind thinks that stating that things happen over time is invoking the 'god', time, then what of things like a Joshua (sp) tree, that grows over more than one person's lifetime. Just because no one alive saw the seed, does that invalidate the assertion that the tree grew via biological process by requiring that we invoke our 'god', time again?

[Kosmo]

This is by far the most time I've ever spent listening Mr. Hovind. I've gotta say that he's got a flare for the ad hoc, not unlike Rush Limbaugh. This guy is a skilled orator who has learned enough jargon to make a profit by duping his masses.

I got a kick out of Hovind's mention of 'islets of Langerhans' in response to a caller's question about why men have nipples. Sounds nifty, although the islets are structures in the pancreas responsible for producing insulin.

[ex-xian]

GW: Again, great job. It was wonderful how he said you "missed the point" about the reward. He basically admitted that it was bogus, and that its point is to show that evolution can't be proven. So much for creationist integrity...oh wait, that's a contradiction in terms, isn't it.

And did Hovid say that he was being very "genuous" when he was accused of being disingenuous? Is that even a word?

[Division By Zero]

Originally posted by Kosmo
I got a kick out of Hovind's mention of 'islets of Langerhans' in response to a caller's question about why men have nipples. Sounds nifty, although the islets are structures in the pancreas responsible for producing insulin.
Didn't he also say something like "The skin covering the rest of our body has to stop somewhere, and that's the nipples?"

He makes it sound like we were shrink-wrapped.

[Kosmo]

Originally posted by Division By Zero
Didn't he also say something like "The skin covering the rest of our body has to stop somewhere, and that's the nipples?"

He makes it sound like we were shrink-wrapped.

Indeed, and this after accusing Dr. Pigliucci of teaching that embryos have gill slits.

I wonder if anyone of you has ever come across a college or even high-school text that suggests that embryos have gill slits? Or is this just a Hovind straw-man?