What's your most immoral belief?

[meritocrat]

Well, of all your beliefs what are the ones which most would consider immoral?

Personally I feel that disabled people should be denied the opportunity to reproduce as it is grossly unjust for the offspring to suffer from congenital conditions. I also believe that bullying can be beneficial to a person's development.

What about you?

[Entropic_Gnosis]

Well i have to say that i hate stupid people and by that i mean people who are willfully ignorant and seem to enjoy not possesing knowledge. I often wish i could simply extinguish stupidity but then i start to think . . .without that sort of person who the hell is going to do all those jobs that everyone hates yet must be done (aside from broke students) so not only do i hate stupid people, I seem to want to take advantage of them for it. I am evil.

[Fr.Andrew]

Originally posted by meritocrat
Well, of all your beliefs what are the ones which most would consider immoral?

Personally I feel that disabled people should be denied the opportunity to reproduce as it is grossly unjust for the offspring to suffer from congenital conditions. I also believe that bullying can be beneficial to a person's development.

What about you?

(Fr Andrew): Those are a couple of pretty immoral beliefs...sho nuff.

[Loren Pechtel]

Originally posted by meritocrat
Well, of all your beliefs what are the ones which most would consider immoral?

Personally I feel that disabled people should be denied the opportunity to reproduce as it is grossly unjust for the offspring to suffer from congenital conditions. I also believe that bullying can be beneficial to a person's development.

What about you?

Disabled <> inheritable defect.

I do agree that those with serious inheritable problems shouldn't breed, though. I consider it tantamount to child abuse.

[Buddrow_Wilson]

Originally posted by meritocrat
Well, of all your beliefs what are the ones which most would consider immoral?

Oh, I dunno..probably that one about there being no god.

[Polycrates]

At the moment, probably that the Iraqis are 100% justified in fighting back and killing US soldiers.

[PTT]

Immoral by whose standards? Just about everything I believe in is moral (i.e. justifiable) by my standards, but many people would disagree.

PTT

[reprise]

So many immoral beliefs from which to choose...

Like Polycrates, I believe that the Iraqis have justification for being pissed off and fighting back against the "coalition of the willing" (though not only the coalition of the willing's US participants).

My most tasteless immoral belief right now is that Prince Charles suffering a fatal accident would be a very beneficial thing for the future of the British monarchy.

[meritocrat]

Originally posted by Fr.Andrew
(Fr Andrew): Those are a couple of pretty immoral beliefs...sho nuff.

And how!!! :D

[Yangja Isuko]

I believe all people found to hold willfully ignorant and illogical thought (religious or otherwise), while having a normally developed brain, should either be forced to undergo corrective surgery (if it ever becomes possible), or shot.

but then, *i* don't consider that immoral.

[reprise]

I believe that the wilfully ignorant deserve whatever negative consequences their ignorance generates (whether financial, physical or emotional).

I believe the same of those whose greed or ego leads to them participating in "get rich quick" schemes which common sense should tell them are "too good to be true" (don't get me started on the topic of 419 scam "victims").

[deano]

theres to many people in the world,earthquakes and famine are good things.

i sort of agree with the disabled thing,the human genome is being weakened by non selective reproduction.we are being exposed to more and more genetic defaults and mutations because of this.examples,rampant cancer,multiple sclerosis,cystic fibrosis etc etc.

eventualy we will be completly dependant on medicine and bio engineering to keep us alive because our genes will be so weak.

[reprise]

Hey, this is cathartic.

I believe that the responsibility for upholding the rules of any relationship rest solely with the parties to that relationship. If your partner violates the ground rules of your relationship, don't put the blame on third parties and bitch about how they "should have respected" your relationship.

[Nostalgic Pushhead]

theres to many people in the world,earthquakes and famine are good things.

Yup. Overpopulation is one of our biggest problems, and anything that helps it, is, unfortunately, good. Sick to say so though.

I also think that lazy stupid people should stop making lazy stupid babies. People who live completely off welfare but are able to work should not be allowed to propogate until they get a job.

The middle east should be left alone to rot. At least until they get their heads out of their asses and stop killing each other.

Celebrities do not deserve hardly any of the money they make. There should be a salary cap. No one should get 20 million for ACTING IN A MOVIE. And sorry, but sports stars deserve even less.

[meritocrat]

I've got more 'unethical' beliefs:

Teens need to be placed in correction until they are 17.

'Compassion' should only be shown to those who suffer from MAJOR problems.

[Beleg_Strongbow]

I can't stand those 'Starving Children in Africa" commercials. Do they really want the whole world to be like the united states? There's too much pollution in the world as it is. Population will never exceed food supply, so if more kids are born than can be fed, some will die. It's nature's way.

[Guillaume]

Originally posted by Piscez
Yup. Overpopulation is one of our biggest problems, and anything that helps it, is, unfortunately, good. Sick to say so though.

Lol. How uninformed. Overpopulation is not a problem, far from it. In fact the main problem is underpopulation, due to the fertility rates that are rapidly decreasing around the world, from Europe to Bangladesh.

http://www.betterhumans.com/Errors/index.aspx?aspxerrorpath=/searchEngineLink.article.2003-02-27-3.aspx

http://tennesseerighttolife.org/news_center/archives/03262001-02.htm

http://www.ru.org/94-agequake.htm

[Sarpedon]

That we should let the jews and muslims kill each other, the world is better without such cults. (now if only we could do something about the christians)

[Nostalgic Pushhead]

Maybe not globally, but its a problem in the US and other developed countries.
And it leads to, ya know, the complete destructin of the environment, with no end in site, unless we all die.
Common sense, more people= more space they need to live in = more environment destroyed.

And yeah, I'm uninformed, but I can't see how underpopulation can be a problem. Oh no! "Only" 9.3 billion! Whatever will we do???

[Diadectes]

1. People who win vast amounts of money then say "It's not going to change the way I live" should be shot and their money given to me.

2. People who hold up the checkout queue at the supermarket by paying with plastic when they have only bought two items should also be taken out and publicly wasted.

3. People who think the right hand lane at traffic lights is for going straight on when it is clearly marked as a right-hand turn only, deserve to have a fatal car accident only seconds after.

4. Similarly, motorists who don't indicate (or, worse, indicate after they have turned) should be stripped, tied to a post and pelted with rotten tomatoes. Should stop them thinking that they are so important on the road that they don't have to let other people know what they are intending to do.

5. People who don't put their hands over their mouths when they cough or sneeze (especially on public transport) deserve to be slowly eaten away by the ebola virus.

6. Any adult who ever willingly sat down and watched Noel's House Party on a Saturday night (only the Brits here will appreciate this one) should be sterilised and hauled in for corrective brain surgery. (The same applies to YEC's.)

Wow, this is fun!!! :D

[Arctish]

I don't think this one is immoral but it certainly is unpopular in the U.S. I think there is nothing wrong with killing and eating a whale ,or a dolphin for that matter, provided it is from a plentiful species and that you eat all of it (excluding the bones of course).

[Mullibok]

Underpopulation will clearly be a problem if there's a large retired population and not enough people able to work to support it all. As for starving children, the whole idea is to redirect some of a country like the US's wasted resources to a place that could use them more.

Anyone who thinks overpopulation is a big problem, humans are ruining everything, etc., but still lives in a comfortable environment with things like Internet access and keeps on draining the earth's resources for him/herself, should either find a way to commit suicide or shut up and stop being such a hypocrite.

Is this an immoral belief?;)

[LittleGuy]

Incest w. protection will be the next social taboo to be broken after gay sex.

Hypocritically enough, I think incest between one and (either of) one's parents is still bad.

[deano]

if everyone on earth lived like the average american,you would need 8 planet earths to provide the required resources.

human reproduction is exponential but the essentials of human life are limited.

hell thomas malthus in the 1700's knew this,he writ an essay on the principles of population,his summary "failing moral restraint,population can only be kept in check by famine disease and war".

so Mullibok,because some others in the world suffer,we should all suffer,throw away our pc's and become paupers!?.how is that logical?.

and finaly,morality will die in the coming centuary,replaced by logic and truth.

[Nowhere357]

I think that democracy has a fatal flaw - it's stupid that ten fools outvote nine wise men.

I also think that capitalism as currently practiced means that all the money ends up on side of the board - seems like guaranteed revolution one day.

[jhjones]

As soon as one with a rational mind is free of the "we are all god's children" fallacy, it is easy to point out several obvious truths:

1. The "law" of inequality. In a natural construct, no biological entity is 100% equal to any other.

2. The genetically defective should be sterilized -- it is cruel to NOT do so.

3. Those who habitually fail to thrive in our society should not be allowed to live on charity -- unless they are first sterilized.

4. We must protect our long-term survival in a world where populations in some rejoins have ballooned above the sustainable -- i.e., allow Nature to take its course, or offer "free" sterilization along with food aid.

5. Recognize that societies are in competition with each other, and that all land was once taken by force. This is just the way it is.

6. Allow ourselves to rediscover that mass democracy is, in effect, rule by the least able -- set some standard for the privilege to vote, such as, being a taxpayer.

[Chicken Girl]

Originally posted by jhjones
2. The genetically defective should be sterilized -- it is cruel to NOT do so.

Not necessarily - genetic "defects" are a driving force for evolution.

I do agree that people with deadly inheritable diseases should not procreate, though.

[jhjones]

Chicken Girl ~~

Yes. We may be saying the same thing. However, because us humans have already muddled around with the evolutionary direction of our species by changing our environment, we must assume, I think, that we may have some unintended consequences. One such consequence would be to change the direction of the evolution by making it more advantageous to be a parasite -- living off the production of some other members of the species. Now that we have purposefully changed the environment and in doing so affected which "defects" are propagated, we must, for our own sake, "help" Nature move in the direction that we see to be the most advantageous. This means that "deadly" is NOT the only category of defects with which we need to be concerned.

There is a prevalent opinion that we should NOT mess with the direction of evolution in such a manner because it is difficult to decide which "defects" to weed out, but I content that we have ALREADY adverted the primitive course and we now bear the burden of managing our future.

[cpickett]

By Immoral I think you mean, it would be immoral to the majority of the population. I don't think that anyone truly has beliefs that they themselves feel are immoral. As such, the only thing that comes to mind is that I think that child pornography should be legal to view... Not that I'm into it, but simply because I see nothing inherently wrong with it, and it's a very ambiguous as to what exactly constitues child porn.

Oh, and I think Gay's should have just as many legal rights as anyone else....

[Cretinist]

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[Nowhere357]

Originally posted by Cretinist
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Heh. Now we can only imagine what dark thoughts lurk in Cretinist's head. :eek:

[The Naked Mage]

People whose wacky religious beliefs factor into their political outlooks even in the slightest should be barred from the voting booths.

Furthermore, Republicans of the same stripe as our current Presidential administration, most conservative talk radio personalities, and anyone associated with FOX News or those who seriously view it for its "objective" content should be killed via slow, painful torture at their families' expense.

[xorbie]

I don't think this is immoral, and I don't know that anyone else would, because nobody really thinks about it. But here goes:
All of congress, the supreme court and the pres should be tossed out and replaced by a ruling oligarchy made up of scientists, mathematicians, historians and economists from Harvard, MIT, Yale, Stanford, U of Chicago etc

These people should then rule the country as they see fit. Absoultely no money shall be given to these people from ANYONE. They will first be tested to make sure that they are against Church-state unity and various other absurd ideas.

Basically, anything is better than Dubya.

[Mullibok]

Originally posted by deano
so Mullibok,because some others in the world suffer,we should all suffer,throw away our pc's and become paupers!?.how is that logical?.

Hardly what I meant. I mean that if you're unwilling to give up your luxury, then it's rather absurb to go around criticizing others for it, no matter how much the person you'd like to criticize has. People are usually about self-interest in the end, and each person lives as good as whatever his/her circumstances allows. People in the US use more because they can get more, if everything was flip-flopped to some other country it's hard to imagine those people not doing the same.

[Xixax]

1) I agree that persons with genetic defects ( serious inheritable defects ) should not be allowed to procreate.

2) I also agree that the Middle East should be allowed to destroy itself. Maybe a few decades of everyone else in the world saying, "Fine, go f**k yourselves if you want to, we don't give a damn about your issues" would make them stop killing each other over their ancient mythologies.

Unfortunately I don't think there is a solution to their problems until their religions are destroyed, at least in their fundamentalist form. That isn't going to happen so long as they're kept in the dark by their governments. Difficult problem, and one I wish the U.S. would have never got its hands in.

It may be the issue that forces me to leave this country and live in a nation more dedicated to keeping the peace and prosperity of its people as the paramount concern.

3) I -wish- that I could endorse the merciless beating ( for weeks )of anyone who tortures/mutilates/sexually abuses a child ( and whose guilt is so undeniable as to be absurd to find them innocent ), but I can't. Instead, just remove them from the planet with a quick and painless execution.

If the evidence isn't concrete enough to feel it's absurd to find them innocent, then life in prison with no chance of parole outside of a successful appeal.

*shrugs*

[xorbie]

Why is execution a good thing? Even for the guilty, it is absurd. We should just use these people for cheap labor, all profits go to the family of the child, or to the child, or some charity or something. Same with murderers. What, you kill someone so you get a free ride in jail, with a nice tv, good meals, free anal sex with your bitch and all on my tax dollars? F*** that. I want to see some manual labor already, it's not just for Mexicans you know.

(note: anyone who thinks this is totally serious, please kick yourself in the ass... however there are valid points here)

[Odemus]

I believe we should move the northern border up 50 miles or so and make Canada ours. They're already a generic America with their Much Music and Hydrox cookies, might as well make them the real thing.

[Dubin]

War in the Middle East? Punishment for crime? Disabled persons? Blah. I'm still trying to deal with human stupidity.
Originally posted by Yangja Isuko
I believe all people found to hold willfully ignorant and illogical thought (religious or otherwise), while having a normally developed brain, should either be forced to undergo corrective surgery (if it ever becomes possible), or shot.

but then, *i* don't consider that immoral.
Originally posted by reprise
I believe that the wilfully ignorant deserve whatever negative consequences their ignorance generates (whether financial, physical or emotional).

I believe the same of those whose greed or ego leads to them participating in "get rich quick" schemes which common sense should tell them are "too good to be true" (don't get me started on the topic of 419 scam "victims").
Exactly!!!
Originally posted by meritocrat
Teens need to be placed in correction until they are 17.
Correction? I think the problem lies more in their apathy and tendency to spit on intellectualism. Granted, there are teens who truly do love the pursuit of knowledge, but I've seen more that hate it. As Entropic_Gnosis posted...
Well i have to say that i hate stupid people and by that i mean people who are willfully ignorant and seem to enjoy not possesing knowledge.
Then there's the desire to conform and to imitate the popular image rather than embrace individuality; I believe that any who show this behavior deserve the fate described below.
Originally posted by Entropic_Gnosis
I often wish i could simply extinguish stupidity but then i start to think . . .without that sort of person who the hell is going to do all those jobs that everyone hates yet must be done (aside from broke students)
Speaking of image, I believe that most of popular culture, including tv and malls, should be abolished.

[Godot]

I'm sure a complete and utter lack of empathy goes a long way towards being immoral (at least to some people).

[Excidius]

Originally posted by Mullibok
Underpopulation will clearly be a problem if there's a large retired population and not enough people able to work to support it all. It shouldn't be a problem at all if those retiring people had the foresight and the responsibility to save up for their own retirements. I for one am not depending on Social Security funded by burger-flipping teenagers to pay for my retirement.

Anyone who thinks overpopulation is a big problem, humans are ruining everything, etc., but still lives in a comfortable environment with things like Internet access and keeps on draining the earth's resources for him/herself, should either find a way to commit suicide or shut up and stop being such a hypocrite.

Is this an immoral belief?;) It is because I want a comfortable environment full of amenities for myself and everyone else that I am concerned with overpopulation. If there were only 500,000 people on the whole planet, we could all drive gas-guzzling SUVs and live in huge mansions made from thousands of dead trees each, and it would not be a burden on our planet at all. But if there are 500 billion of us, and we all did the aforementioned, it would be the end of oil, forests and good weather as we know it, and there would be no such luxuries for anyone anywhere.

[pmurray]

The Nazis, also, were big fans of eugenics. But I'd suggest, before sterilising cripples and freaks, that we start on criminals, and those agressive little assholes who used to ully me at school.

[Z500]

i wonder why retarded people are put in school at all. and i mean visibly retarded. kids in wheelchairs swinging their heads around all day

[Mageth]

I believe that there are too many cows (and sheep) and not enough wolves.

As far as that goes, I believe that there are too many people and not enough wolves, bears, etc.

I believe there are too many domestic dogs and cats and not enough birds, lizards, snakes, and other assorted "vermin".

I believe that domestic cats, in particular, should not be allowed to roam freely in our neighborhoods (they kill way too many wild critters). Feral cats and dogs should be shot on sight or captured and more humanely disposed of.

I believe that many if not most wilderness areas, National Parks, wildlife refuges, etc. should be closed to all vehicular traffic (except, perhaps, for the occasional bus for the severely handicapped, and even that is a "maybe"). Everyone should walk or bike only in the parks, if they wish to see them. Sorry, old folks in your motor homes, and those in too poor of shape to walk; you shoulda gone when you were younger or in better shape. For now, you should be satisfied with photos and videos taken by the more vigorous.

I believe that there should be many wilderness areas that are off-limits to everyone, except the occasional scientist there to monitor how the area is doing.

I believe that off-roading (whether in trucks, on motorcycles, etc.) just for the sake of off-roading should be banned in most wild areas.

I believe that jet skis are the bane of our lakes and waterways and should be severely restricted or banned in many places.

I believe that anyone that plays a radio or runs a generator in most campgrounds (esp. state and national parks) should be slapped with severe fines or jail time.

I believe that people that build their homes in flood-prone, fire-prone, storm-prone and earthquake-prone areas have no reason to complain when nature does what it's supposed to do and destroys their house.

I believe that coastal wetlands should never be drained, and that rivers, bayous, creeks etc. should never be dammed or channelized to prevent people's homes from being flooded.

I believe the Glen Canyon Dam should be blown up ASAP.

I believe everything possible should be done to save what remains of the Great Apes and their necessary environments, even at the expense of the people that live in those regions.

[Buddrow_Wilson]

I'm better than you (you in the general, non-specific sense).

[Huzington]

According to my moral doctrine, I do not have any "immoral" beliefs.

According to the moral doctrine of the vulgar, I am a rotten immoralist.

Here is a so-called immoral belief of mine:

Nothing is immutable.

If you know what this implies, you will know that, though it agrees with Science, it is yet the most immoral of all beliefs.

[Odemus]

I believe that all athiests will burn in hell, and deserve to do so.

[Buddrow_Wilson]

I believe that all theists are a bunch of doo-doo heads!

(nanner nanner)

[Godot]

Originally posted by Mageth
I believe the Glen Canyon Dam should be blown up ASAP. Let me know when this is going to happen, as I'd like to BASE jump from it first. :D

[Xixax]

Originally posted by Odemus
I believe that all athiests will burn in hell, and deserve to do so.

*chuckles*

And the spirit of the Israeli war-god YHWH lives on....

[yelyos]

I believe that all children should have rights equal to that of adults.

[meritocrat]

Correction? I think the problem lies more in their apathy and tendency to spit on intellectualism. Granted, there are teens who truly do love the pursuit of knowledge, but I've seen more that hate it.

Yes, correction.

[Harumi]

Originally posted by Dubin

Correction? I think the problem lies more in their apathy and tendency to spit on intellectualism. Granted, there are teens who truly do love the pursuit of knowledge, but I've seen more that hate it. As Entropic_Gnosis posted...



I don't think it's so much teens but the society they grew up in. America has a major problem with this. My parents from Taiwan certainly didn't experience being scorned because they were intelligent.

I think we should destroy the culture that propogates stupidity.

Oh, and I have secret feelings toward exploding/nuking the Middle East. Just get the stupid stuff over with already!

[tronvillain]

Uh, my belief that I would be willing to kill an innocent person for a sufficiently large amount of money? That would probably be percieved as pretty immoral by a lot of people. :D

[Will I Am]

Entertaining topic.

I’d like to (after I don my kevlar) hop on the ‘eugenics’ bus. I can’t think of a single more straight-forward case of selfish (albeit genetically driven) desire directly leading to so-foreseeable (unnecessary) suffering.

“Where do you draw the line?” Draw it somewhere for (er) God’s sake!


(Yes… and once we get the thin edge of the wedge in, the rest is all down, er, up, hill.….)



(And people who use too many parentheses should be the first to go..)

[Michaelson]

I trust blacks less than whites, generally speaking.

Not for immoral reasons, I believe, but to explain any further would be to depart from the spirit of this thread.

[Harumi]

What about Asians, ME, and Native Americans? ;)

[Nowhere357]

And the Atlanteans, the Antarticans, and of course the Martians.

[Robert Anthony]

My most immoral belief would probably be my belief in the stupidity and uselessness of an absolutist set of moral categories, whether Jehovah-approved or secularized.

[Scorpion]

I'd like to see every person claiming that they have a right to smoke and exercising that "right" dead.

While I have one or two friends who actually share this sentiment, no-one considers it moral.

-S-

[deano]

i believe narcotic drugs are good for some people.

i believe ecstasy is the cure for many of mankinds problems.