Alabama is OK - Moore's supporters are outside agitators

[Toto]

Since some in this forum tend to bash the south, I thought I would point this out:

Lack of local support for Moore stuns visiting demonstrators (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/NEWS/StoryAlabamapeoplew823.htm)


Many out-of-state visitors taking part in rallies for Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore were asking the same question Friday afternoon -- where is the area support?

Of the estimated 100 demonstrators who gathered outside the Judicial Building at 1 p.m., only a few were from Montgomery. Of the thousands who rallied for Moore a week ago, the majority were from states such as Florida, Mississippi, Illinois, Chicago, Texas, Tennessee and others.

. . .

During recent vigils, ministers from neighboring states gathered to pray for more Montgomery-area Christian support of Moore and his monument.

"It's a shame," said the Rev. Rick Barnard, pastor of My Father's House of Prayer in Morris, Ill. "I don't know why they aren't here, but I know I had to be here."

. . .

The Rev. Karl Stegall of Montgomery's First United Methodist Church . . . took exception to criticism of Supreme Court Associate Justice Gorman Houston, who was one of eight justices who voted this week to have the monument removed from the rotunda of the Judicial Building.

Stegall said he particularily is upset by some of the sharp comments directed at Houston, who is a member of his congregation.

"To have someone refer to such a godly man as Justice Houston as a 'Judas' greatly offends me as his pastor," Stegall said. "I personally know that the associate justices are outstanding Christians of various denominations."


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David Williams of Dorcas, Fla

[JCS]

Supporters of the Ten Commandments monument asked a federal court Monday to block its removal from the Alabama Judicial Building http://apnews.excite.com/article/20030825/D7T57MT00.html

I wonder if these people would mind if believers or nonbelievers of other gods started installing religious or anti religous items along side this rock. Would they allow me the right to express my anti-religious views by painting god is a myth on that rock?
Would they be cheering religious freedom or filing more court papers on behalf of their particular deity. Are they for religious freedom for everyone, or just themselves. It is kind of scary imagining what this country would be like without the constitution.

[Mullibok]

It amazes me that people care so much as to travel for so many miles just to camp out in front of a statue. I guess they see this as a huge battle for God, but why not be content to praise God in the comfort and privacy of their normal lives?

[sakrilege]

states such as Florida, Mississippi, Illinois, Chicago, Texas, Tennessee and others. Being originally from Chicago, I'm flattered it carries the weight of a state. :D


Having lived in Alabama, I will say that I was overwhelmed by the size and number of churches but I don't remember religion in politics as being offensive.

[Sci_Fidelity]

Posted by Mullibok:

I guess they see this as a huge battle for God, but why not be content to praise God in the comfort and privacy of their normal lives?

Yes, I often wonder what these people think they stand to gain from forcing their brand of superstition on everyone. Converts? Not this heathen...

[Homer J. Fong]

Originally posted by Toto


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David Williams of Dorcas, Fla [/B]

If there weren't a really small town named Dorking located about 20 minutes or so from here, I'd accuse you of faking that location as Mr. Williams' hoemtown.

[hezekiah jones]

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/images/news_daily/082303/front2.jpg

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. - Jesus

[Undercurrent]

Originally posted by Sci_Fidelity
Yes, I often wonder what these people think they stand to gain from forcing their brand of superstition on everyone.

They get to feel like they're Really Great Christians and that they're better than everyone else for being so damn pious. It's like the happy buzz you get when you accomplish something useful and significant for your community, only easier, since you don't have to do anything useful or significant.

[brighid]

Isn't it ironic that these people are praying in front of and about an ENGRAVEN IMAGE when in that very engraven image is a commandment about not praying to engraven images.

Where are all the other Christians reminding them they are breaking on of the commandments and if our laws are based on those commandments they should serve some jail time for praying to engraven images, and for being hypocrites (as Jesus called them for praying in the public square.)

Brighid

[ohwilleke]

Originally posted by sakrilege
Being originally from Chicago, I'm flattered it carries the weight of a state. :D

What do you expect from the Montgomery Advertiser?

[David Bowden]

I don't dispute the claim that most of the demonstrators are non-Alabamans, but isn't it nonetheless true that Moore got voted in by Alabamans, who apparently approved of the church-state views which formed the centerpiece of his campaign? I seem to recall his election getting a lot of news a couple of years ago, and I don't recall it being a close race (though I may be mistaken on that).

I guess my point is that despite the low turnout of Alabamans at the courthouse itself, I don't doubt that many thousands of people in that state are seething at the notion of secular/neutral government scoring against the notion of Christianity-centric government.

I expect this incident will only fan the flames of the Religious Right's movement to get unapologetically activist conservative state and federal court justices appointed, and I don't doubt that many of the presently undemonstrative Alabamans will play an active role in future clashes between the neutral and pro-religious camps.

Or, as I once heard a man tell his friend who was heading off to a Promise Keepers rally: "Just because we aren't present with you in the flesh, doesn't mean we aren't praying for your success."

...ministers from neighboring states gathered to pray for more Montgomery-area Christian support of Moore and his monument.
"It's a shame," said the Rev. Rick Barnard, pastor of My Father's House of Prayer in Morris, Ill . "I don't know why they aren't here, but I know I had to be here."

I lived in Morris, IL from 1986-1992. And I'm still glad I moved away as soon as I possibly could.

-David

[Shake]

Originally posted by hezekiah jones
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/images/news_daily/082303/front2.jpg

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. - Jesus "Please, Father, save this monument of your words from the hands of men ... Huh?"

Officer: OK, buddy. You have the right to remain silent ... *click*

[BioBeing]

This man scare me most - he always seems to be in the background, with his wild eyes... creepy.

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/LAW/08/21/cnna.commandments.debate/story.mahoney.khan.jpg

Pat Mahoney of the Christian Defense Coalition (http://christiandefensecoalition.net/) based in Washington DC. That page is almost as bad a timecube!

Edit - could'nt find a picture of just him - sorry Khan!

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally posted by BioBeing
That page is almost as bad a timecube!

Ouch. That site pretty much is timecube, complete with the uglyassed layout and frothing-at-the-mouth lunacy.

The stuff on this page (http://christiandefensecoalition.net/Commandments.htm) is deeply disturbing:

As we pray about what God is calling us to do we must also answer the question, are these activities biblical? It is clear from the Scriptures that Christians have been called to obey and submit to civil authority. (Romans 13:1) Yet, are there any exemptions to these biblical principles? It appears that there are three.

In Exodus, chapters 1 and 2, the Hebrew midwives were ordered by civil authorities to kill all newborn male children. The refused to do so. In Exodus 1:17, it says, "The midwives, however, feared God and did not do what the king of Egypt had told them to do; they let the boys live." The first exemption is a believer can violate civil authority in order to save a life.

Daniel chapter 3 records how the Hebrew children were ordered to worship a golden image of King Nebuchadnezzar. In other words, they were ordered by civil authority to do evil. In verse 18, they refuse to obey civil authority and declare, "...we will not serve your gods, or worship the image of gold you have set up." Scripture allows us to violate civil authority when we are commanded to do evil.

The final exemption is in Daniel 6 and Acts chapter 5. In Daniel 6, a law was put into place forbidding prayer except it be offered in the name of Kind Darius. Daniel was not allowed to pray to his God. He "defied" civil rule and in verse 10 he prayed to the true and living God 3 times a day. We are then allowed to violate civil laws when we are forbidden to do good.

That sort of "reasoning" can be used to justify damn near anything, up to and including murder.

[Never]

Originally posted by brighid
Isn't it ironic that these people are praying in front of and about an ENGRAVEN IMAGE when in that very engraven image is a commandment about not praying to engraven images.

Where are all the other Christians reminding them they are breaking on of the commandments and if our laws are based on those commandments they should serve some jail time for praying to engraven images, and for being hypocrites (as Jesus called them for praying in the public square.)

Brighid

brighid,

That's exactly what I've been thinking all along. Every time I see those shots on TV of people bowing down in front of this huge piece of granite it amazes me. Not just the standard how do they believe all this religious crap or the separation of church & state, but I said to my husband "If you are a Christian, isn't that worshiping a graven image?". Why doesn't anyone in the religious community call them on it? I figured someone here had to have noticed.

[Toto]

This is almost as good as the California recall for nutcase observers (except no full frontal nudity of a leading candidate so far)

Moore supporters split into dueling protests (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/specialreports/TENcommandments/StoryAlabamaroyside24w.htm)

As Moore's chief defenders stood in front of a microphone to sing his praises, others stood on a ledge not far away and began shouting at the top of their lungs.

One man lashed out at Catholics and Episcopalians for liberal views on homosexuality, defended Israel and claimed "America has lost its guts."

. . .

"Hey, it's the First Amendment," Mahoney said. "God bless 'em. He's disrupting the meeting, but you know what, he can go on. His voice will go in a minute. I wish I had his lungs."

Mahoney's prediction flopped as the screamer's shouts drowned out "Amazing Grace" and other popular Christian songs a few feet away.

. . .

Scott Masters, a trucking company employee from Dallas, Ga., appeared as "Moses." He had long hair with streaks of gray, wore a long robe and carried a thick rod.

"The only thing I can part is my hair," Masters said. "We're just here to stand up for what's right. Christians have been sitting in their La-Z-Boys too long, and now we're getting off our butts and getting at it. By golly, we're just sick and tired of it and we're not going to take it anymore."

[BadBadBad]

Originally posted by BioBeing
This man scare me most - he always seems to be in the background, with his wild eyes... creepy.

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/LAW/08/21/cnna.commandments.debate/story.mahoney.khan.jpg

Pat Mahoney of the Christian Defense Coalition (http://christiandefensecoalition.net/) based in Washington DC. That page is almost as bad a timecube!

Edit - could'nt find a picture of just him - sorry Khan!


Yeah, this guy is a freak alright. I saw one of these sound bite discussions by CNN or someone with this guy, and I don't recall the second guy. This guy was all frothing at the mouth about how they're getting all their rights stripped away, blah blah bla, blather blather blather. Then the other guy finally got a word in edgewise to say it's not about religion or the basis of the constitution at all. It's about the rule of law.

Here we have a state supreme court justice. He damn well knows what the law is. He damn well knows that putting up this monument is unconstitutional. He knows he's not exercising his rights, but he's in fact breaking the law. Of course that's why he does it under the cover of dark. It's not even about the monument.

The bigger issue of separation of church and state is Moore himself. Here we have a state supreme court chief justice declaring himself appointed by God to be above the law. Not only has he broken and defied the law by installing the monument, look at what he's done to the supreme court building! He's turned the whole thing into some big Baptist church/circus. You can bet that was his whole intent.

He hasn't just installed a monument. Appointed by God, he leads his pulpit from the steps of the court house wearing the gown of the supreme court. He's there to lead his church in revolt of separation of church and state. He's there to establish himself and his church in place of the law. If we have separation of church and state, it's not to keep the 10c off state property. It's to keep guys like Moore out of the government. The 10c monument has to go, but what about Moore? He's suspended, but the real issue is what is to become of that? Plus, what about reparation to the taxpayers of the state of Alabama?

[Queen of Swords]

The balding guy with the beard, the glasses and the blue shirt? He was on CNN right now, and the United Arab Emirates - or at least this one small corner of it - watched breathlessly, making occasional snarky comments when people claimed that American law was founded on the ten commandments.

But getting back to the balding guy, he said something like, "The Attorney General said the monument would be gone immediately. It's STILL HERE!" (assorted cheers from the crowd) "Every minute past five pm that the monument stays up is a VICTORY FOR US!"

He was like Hitler in the bunker in 1945.

[dangin]

Shouldn't that be a victory for god? Oh wait, that's right. He doesn't care. . .

[RufusAtticus]

Yesterday, my brother in law actually on a whim went to go see what all the circus was about. They'd talked about the monument in sunday school the day before. From his view, the circus was split 50:50 between total lunies and more regular looking people. He summed it up as a bunch of fat people sweating under the sun.

[BioBeing]

Originally posted by brettc
He hasn't just installed a monument. Appointed by God, he leads his pulpit from the steps of the court house wearing the gown of the supreme court. He's there to lead his church in revolt of separation of church and state. He's there to establish himself and his church in place of the law. If we have separation of church and state, it's not to keep the 10c off state property. It's to keep guys like Moore out of the government. The 10c monument has to go, but what about Moore? He's suspended, but the real issue is what is to become of that? Plus, what about reparation to the taxpayers of the state of Alabama?
Hear Hear!

He will be running for State Govenor next. And, I predict, he'll win... This will not keep him or his bigotry out of politics.

[dangin]

If he becomes governor, I predict he will pull antics like this all over the state. The supreme court will have to deal with him again, and it will all cost tax payers too much to even bother counting.

Religious grandstanding makes baby jesus cry.

[Stephen Maturin]

According to this (http://www.nbc13.com/news/2434578/detail.html), the loonies are calling on William Pryor, a long-time supporter of Moore and the rock, to resign. Apparently they're all honked off about a state attorney general expressing support for complying with a court order. That Mahoney dude is just batshit insane:

Patrick Mahoney, director of the Christian Defense Coalition, accused Pryor of political grandstanding to aid his nomination to a federal appeals court.

Right speech, wrong guy, Pat. Save the political grandstanding critique for your messiah.

And the complaint those two nutcases filed yesterday against the associate justices of the Alabama Supreme Court is available online. You can download it in PDF here (http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/religion/mcginlenhou82503cmp.pdf).

Not surprisingly, the thing reads much more like a theocratic manifesto than a complaint. The so-called statement of facts is laden with howlers, but the cause of action is stupid beyond all description. They're contending - I shit you not - that removing the monument creates an impermissible endorsement of, and excessive entanglement with, religion by involving government with "the religion of nontheistic beliefs."

The truly nauseating part is that these religious crazies are represented by counsel. Two of 'em, in fact. One from California and the other from Alabama. How any lawyer could bring himself to sign and file such a blatantly frivolous pile of garbage is beyond me. I weep openly for the profession.

[No-Preference]

Did you see The Christian Defense Coalition schedule?

Wednesday, August 20,

12:00am (Midnight) Prayer/Candle light vigil at Supreme Court
8:00am Prayer at Supreme Court (across the street at Hull & Dexter)
12:00pm Prayer at Supreme Court (across the street at Hull & Dexter)
1:00pm News Briefing at Supreme Court (across the street at Hull & Dexter)
3:00pm Visit Pryor/Riley’s office
5:00pm Prayer at Supreme Court Courtyard
7:30pm Rally on the Steps/Courtyard of Supreme Court

Thursday, August 21,

8:00am Prayer at Supreme Court Courtyard
9:00am Prayer for Monument
12:00pm Prayer at Supreme Court Courtyard
5:00pm Prayer at Supreme Court Courtyard
7:30pm Rally on the Steps/Courtyard of Supreme Court:notworthy

God damn, don't they have a life?

[Toto]

I tried to google Brian R. Chavez-Ochoa (http://pview.findlaw.com/view/1574398_1). He's described as lead counsel for Operation Rescue West.

He shows up in cases like this: Woman faces indictment for reading the Bible (http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/qtr1_2003/1218-100.html)

Life Legal Defense Foundation: Fresno Woman Faces Indictment for Reading the Bible
To: National and State desks
Contact: Brian Chavez Ochoa, ********,
or Dana Cody, ********,
both for Life Legal Defense Foundation

FRESNO, Calif., Dec. 18 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The U.S. Attorney's office will convene a grand jury in order to seek an indictment against a local pro-life activist, Terri Palmquist. Mrs. Palmquist's alleged offense is threatening abortionist Kenneth Wright by reading passages of the Bible to him.

On July 9, 2002, Mrs. Palmquist, who regularly leaflets and counsels at the Family Planning Alternatives abortion clinic on H Street, saw Wright entering the clinic and read to him passages from Ezekiel 33 concerning admonishing the evildoer to turn from his sins lest he die. Although Wright has seen Mrs. Palmquist at the clinic for years and did not appear concerned at the time, he reported the incident to police and the FBI as a death threat despite Mrs. Palmquist's explanation to him that she meant no threat. . . . .

[Atheist121]

My views:

I don't think that most of the people are out there because they feel it is a big issue to decide what the limits of church and state separation should be. I think many came from afar because they are ignorant. Many claim that the 10 C are the foundation of our LAW. It's one thing to make the bogus claim that they are the foundation of our morals, but to claim it is part of our law is to take it to a whole new level of igornance and misunderstanding.

And some don't even care. I have a copy of The Huntsville Times, and on the front page is a picture of the rally. One man hold's up a sign saying, "God's law above man's law." Clearly this person cares nothing for the constitution. They just want their God.

[john_v_h]

Welcome to the world's most inclusive church, the "religion of nontheistic belief"! Would they seriously have the court believe that in every place the government fails to acknowledge GodÔ it is promoting this shadowy and hypothetical religion?

[SLD]

Originally posted by Atheist121
My views:

I have a copy of The Huntsville Times, and on the front page is a picture of the rally. One man hold's up a sign saying, "God's law above man's law." Clearly this person cares nothing for the constitution. They just want their God.

How utterly frightening. I've heard it here in Birmingham, on talk radio shows in the morning and afternoon's on my way home. Just bizarre shit like this. Don't these people realize that history is littered with the pogroms and corpses of people killed in religious strife because someone thought they knew "God's Law" better than the other person did. Madison's great fear was that we would become like that too and that is the reason why he crafted the establishment clause. It is no accident that the Establishment Clause was the first freedom listed in the bill of rights.

While driving in this morning, I actually heard the following comment on the morning talk show from some caller: "If I were to live in some Asian country like Budapest, I'd expect to see statues of Buddha everywhere."


AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! I about died laughing.

SLD

[beejay]

Originally posted by No-Preference
Did you see The Christian Defense Coalition schedule?

:notworthy

God damn, don't they have a life?

Aren't we better off if they spend their time praying? If they weren't doing that, they might do something that actually works.

[sakrilege]

Originally posted by SLD
While driving in this morning, I actually heard the following comment on the morning talk show from some caller: "If I were to live in some Asian country like Budapest, I'd expect to see statues of Buddha everywhere." Unfortunately, this person is allowed to vote. :(

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally posted by SLD
While driving in this morning, I actually heard the following comment on the morning talk show from some caller: "If I were to live in some Asian country like Budapest, I'd expect to see statues of Buddha everywhere."

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." ~ Sir Winston Churchill

[Division By Zero]

Scott Masters, a trucking company employee from Dallas, Ga., appeared as "Moses." He had long hair with streaks of gray, wore a long robe and carried a thick rod.
This is getting more and more ridiculous. Bible cosplay? What good is that going to do?

"The only thing I can part is my hair," Masters said. "We're just here to stand up for what's right. Christians have been sitting in their La-Z-Boys too long, and now we're getting off our butts and getting at it. By golly, we're just sick and tired of it and we're not going to take it anymore."
"We're sick and tired of the First Amendment, and we're gonna see it struck down with God on our side!"

I can't wait to see these fools disperse and go home once the rock is gone. What's taking them so long to move it?

[RufusAtticus]

Speaking of outside idiots, check out the ranting of the president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission. (http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=16553)

"I, too, am righteously indignant at the attempt by courts to deny our Judeo-Christian heritage and enforce a rigidly secular bias on our public spaces. I, too, am angered at the attempt by a federal appeals court to take "under God" out of the Pledge of Allegiance. I, too, am angered when courts rule that competitively won, publicly funded scholarships can be used by students to major in anything but religion or ministry studies. Such rulings display blatant discrimination against religion, which is prohibited by the First Amendment."

Fifty bucks says this idiot has never read any of these court decisions.

"If the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, would we support the California State Supreme Court defying the U.S. Supreme Court and saying that since their state constitution explicitly guarantees the right to privacy, they planned to defy the federal government and continue to permit abortion on demand in California?"

Why are people who complain about Roe v. Wade so fucking ignorant of it?

[Mullibok]

Wow, I've never seen anyone that ignorant of Roe v. Wade...why do such willfully stupid people always seem to have a platform to express their views?

[Shake]

Originally posted by QueenofSwords
The balding guy with the beard, the glasses and the blue shirt? He was on CNN right now, and the United Arab Emirates - or at least this one small corner of it - watched breathlessly, making occasional snarky comments when people claimed that American law was founded on the ten commandments.

But getting back to the balding guy, he said something like, "The Attorney General said the monument would be gone immediately. It's STILL HERE!" (assorted cheers from the crowd) "Every minute past five pm that the monument stays up is a VICTORY FOR US!"

He was like Hitler in the bunker in 1945. Nice analogy, QoS!

I believe I read the other day that even Judge Moore has come to the realization that the plaque must go (or that it will go). It took him a while, but he knew when to admit he'd lost.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally posted by Toto
I tried to google Brian R. Chavez-Ochoa (http://pview.findlaw.com/view/1574398_1). He's described as lead counsel for Operation Rescue West.


Yeah, it looks as though he's yet another member in good standing of the Jesus H. Christ Bar Association. This article (http://www.modbee.com/local/story/7352561p-8274648c.html) indicates that the Christian Defense Coalition loons brought in Chavez-Ochoa because of his work in the field of abortion protestor defense. :rolleyes:

[fried beef sandwich]

Originally posted by Division By Zero
[b]
This is getting more and more ridiculous. Bible cosplay? What good is that going to do? Maybe he's gonna strike the monument and water's going to flow out to quench the thirst of all them protesters.

And then God is going to smite them for their lack of faith.

Mmmmm.... smite-down.

[Jewel]

It just baffels me as to just how these people can equate the removal of a religious monument from a government building to having their rights tromped on.

Has the government outlawed christianity? no. Has the government gone into their churches and homes and told them they must remove any religious display? no. Not even close. They still have the freedom to worship their sky daddy, but they don't have the freedom (and they've never had it) to use the government to advance their beliefs. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[RufusAtticus]

Originally posted by Jewel
It just baffels me as to just how these people can equate the removal of a religious monument from a government building to having their rights tromped on.

Remember these are the people that think that homosexual marriange is a "special" right.

[Jewel]

Originally posted by RufusAtticus
Remember these are the people that think that homosexual marriange is a "special" right.

You're right. I can't say that it actually saddens me that I can't think like these people. But unfortunately, they are the ones that get all of the media attention and oh so many people form their opinions by what they hear repeated in the media ad nausium.

[Toto]

From the Infidels Wire, a description of Moore's supporters (http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2003_08_24_dneiwert_archive.html#106179567260601299) from Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center

Last Saturday, the rally for the 10 Commandments included as speakers Howard Phillips of the Constitution Party (formerly USTP), along with Jerry Falwell and Alan Keyes and a number of lesser lights. The crowd was about 50 percent neo-Confederate, with flags and such, even though organizers were supposedly turning Confederate flags away. The crowd was working class and overwhelmingly white -- a careful count by me concluded that out of a maximum 2,000 present (it may have been closer to 1,500), there were at most 20 black faces.

A funny moment came when a clueless Falwell invoked Martin Luther King, saying that Roy Moore was just like King. The entire crowd skipped a beat ... silence ... and then the most tepid applause you ever heard.

Later, Falwell compounded the error by referring to America as a land of immigrants, and actually quoted Emma Lazarus. This time, the crowd's answer was deafening silence.

. . .

Meanwhile, in the crowd was our good friend Neal Horsley (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/06/21/abortion/) {of the Nuremburg files website}, along with his scary sidekick, Jonathan Toole. The First Freedom, Olaf Childress' patently racist (and now anti-Semitic, complete with references to the "Jew World Order") and neo-Confederate paper, was being handed out, along with a variety of radical anti-abortion tracts and even several pieces of literature attacking Catholics ("papists," etc.).

. . .
Overall, the whole thing has had the flavor of a New Yorker cartoon, the classic depicting a guy with a long white beard and a sign screaming "REPENT!" Lots of sackcloths and ashes, etc. Trucks with giant photos of aborted fetuses, another one painted all over with Irwin Schiff anti-tax propaganda.

[john_v_h]

Appeal promised as monument moved from rotunda of Alabama court building (http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-2/106199064191772.xml)

As the monument left public view, a federal judge in Mobile dismissed a lawsuit that had been filed this week to stop it. U.S. District Judge William H. Steele said the law does not allow a "horizontal appeal," asking a federal judge in Mobile to overturn an order from a federal judge in another district. Monument supporters said it would be refiled in Montgomery.
"They can move it out of view but they can't move it out of our hearts," said Rick Moser, 47, of Woodstock, Ga.
Now that is what you call a rock in a heart place.

[Race Bannon]

Shouldn't that be "DORK ASS, FLA"??? ;)


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David Williams of Dorcas, Fla