The temple of set? Thoughts?

[ax]

What do you people make of this? I find it all rather confussing.
SET (http://www.xeper.org/pub/gil/xp_FS_gil.htm)

You'll need to scroll down the inner page to read what it is all about.

[monkey mind]

I think it's goofy, and their elitist overtones are somewhat obnoxious.

[shivalinga]

There are certain patterns in our lives that continue to influence the world -- learning to go with our patterns is the Key to changing both the Self and world. Now this doesn't mean we allow our unconscious lives to rule us, but that we use patterns in our lives for rationally chosen Noble aims. We may be said in this practice to be the future of mankind, if you value Tim Leary's remark that in the future what is now called luck will be called skill.



this is from their site,the two things adepts accept, basic rosicrucian,/hermetic stuff.

Our magical Workings really do effect things in accordance with our will, but in fashions Mysterious and Joyous to us.

[Magic Primate]

Its a renaming of a branch of Satanism. Its all nonsense.

[Afghan]

It's one of those things where you need a Marilyn Manson hoodie to join.

[anakata]

All I know about Set is that he's the orcish god (chaotic alignment) in Nethack...

[Magic Primate]

No, I think he was talking about the real world. Remember that?

Set is the Ancient Egyptian god of the desert and is represented by a mysterious animal with square-topped ears.

I came across these people (online) many years ago. Their website proclaimed that they were a branch of the Church of Satan which wished to disassociate itself from the word 'Satan'. So, they don't have much to do with Ancient Egypt.

[shivalinga]

the set heads are basically an offshoot of traditional
european occultism popularized in the late 19th century
with roots going back much furthur, Aliester Crowley
who created the OTO ,order of oriental templers is their
main inspiration his teachings include
a usual grab bag of rosicrucian thought, including
hermetic hibbery-gibbery,Kabbalah,alchemy,and
is basically concerned with becoming a higher being.

while some call it satanism, in their jargon satanism is not devil worship, it has an entirely different connotation, the word satanism was given to these groups back in the middle ages,
to the catholics satanism was any philosophy that was based
on raising the consciousness to enable the adept to
somehow master the elements, the basic alchemical
school of thought, this was labeled satanic by the church
and later it was taken as a badge of honor much like
black people in the U.S. call each other niggas.



here is a bit on these guys, this stuff was very popular among the elites of 19th century europe and america and is incorporated
into freemasonry ,for example


satanism ? (http://www.paganlibrary.com/editorials/temple_set.php)
freemasons/crowley (http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/Writings/AleisterCrowley.html)

[ax]

Thanks for the replies!
Yeah, I think that any organisation that wants $80 US per year so they can show you the mysteries of "SET" or whatever, is a scam that's after your money.

[premjan]

oddly enough is the persian (and indian) word "daeva"/"deva". In persia it means devil while in India it means god.

[shivalinga]

here (http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/satanism/tempset.html) is their history.

the founder michael aquino has been accused of being
involved with U.S. intelligence operations having to
do with MK ultra and other mind control and mental
weaponry by the conspiracy watchers for years now.

[shivalinga]

actually devil is not from deva, devil comes from diablo,

Main Entry: 1dev·il
Pronunciation: 'de-v&l dialect 'di-
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English devel, from Old English dEofol, from Late Latin diabolus, from Greek diabolos, literally, slanderer, from diaballein to throw across, slander, from dia- + ballein to throw; probably akin to Sanskrit gurate he lifts up


these words come from deva.

NOUN: DEITY, Divinity, Godhead, Godship, Omnipotence, Omniscience, Providence.
[QUALITY OF BEING DIVINE] divineness, divinity.
GOD, Lord, Jehovah, The King of Kings, The Lord of Lords, The Almighty, The Supreme Being, The Eternal Being, The Absolute Being, The First Cause; I AM, The All-Father, Ens Entium [L.], Author of all things, Creator of all things, Author of our being; Cosmoplast, Demiurge; The Infinite, The Eternal; The All-powerful, The Omnipotent, The All-wise, The All-merciful, The All-holy, The All-knowing, The Omniscient.
Deus [L.], Theos [Greek], Dieu [F.], Gott [Ger.], Dio [It.], Dios [Sp.], Deos [Pg.], Gud [Nor., Sw., & Dan.], God [Du.], Bog’ [Russ.], Brahmă [Skr.], Deva [Skr.], Khuda [Hind.], Allah Ar.], Kami [Jap.], Ten-shu [Jap., Christian].

[premjan]

I'm willing to bet that "deva" is an older word than "diablo".
So the immediate etymology doesn't exclude the root etymology.

[premjan]

deus and deity I am pretty sure are not from deva but from dyaus, which is a rigvedic god.

[Leah]

Linking Seth with Satansim (another form of christianitly really), seems 'off' .

When the Golden Dawn and Aleister Crowley
("...Aleister Crowley broke away from that disintegrating body to form his own Order of the Astrum Argenteum (A.'.A.'.). To the Rosicrucian/ceremonial magical philosophy of the G.'.D.'., Crowley added first a strong emphasis on attainment of the highest level of self-consciousness (“Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel”) and later the Masonic/sexual magic practices of Germany’s Order of Oriental Templars (O.T.O.). The latter practices, together with Crowley’s cavalier lifestyle, brought him public notoriety. His organizations survived his 1947 death only in highly-fragmented and doctrinally simplistic factions...." ) got mentioned in that text, it becomes quite obvious what the page is made for...

oh well...

[shivalinga]

L.Ron Hubbard was a member(so he claimed) of the OTO,
in fact he and some people tried to give birth to
an entity in their child using some kind of ritual
magick, he wrote Crowley and told him about it,
Crowley called Ron a psycho.

[reverendmoss]

Originally posted by shivalinga
L.Ron Hubbard was a member(so he claimed) of the OTO,
in fact he and some people tried to give birth to
an entity in their child using some kind of ritual
magick, he wrote Crowley and told him about it,
Crowley called Ron a psycho.

Heh! that's awesome!
i believe it because truth is really that much stranger than fiction.
:notworthy

[shivalinga]

i read about it in a few books written by Hubbards son,
and another ex scientologist.

funny stuff ,scientology, everything is either plagarized
or straight out of a comic book.:rolleyes:

[premjan]

Aren't the Raelians better than scientology (more scientific for one)?

[Aquila ka Hecate]

shivalinga:
Crowley called Ron a psycho

Crowley called him a psycho!

Now I've heard the lot!

(Or was that professional jealousy?)

Doesn't a nephew of L Ron 'lead' a Wiccan sect today?

'Ed' Hubbard, that is?

Correllian Nativist IIRC, and about as phoney in its supposed 'antecedants' as a three Rand bill.

The ultimate-high-priest (or whatever)'s Mum is supposed to have been a priestess of this 'family' Trad...but when they were over here, she had to be coached by her son in details she should have been teaching him!

Aaarg they make me want to puke.
Terri

[Aquila ka Hecate]

premjan:

Aren't the Raelians better than scientology (more scientific for one)?


Dunno about better .
Different, more like-about the difference between having your throat cut and being decapitated.

Terri

[Eudaimonist]

Originally posted by premjan
Aren't the Raelians better than scientology (more scientific for one)?

More scientific? In a UFO cult kind of way, perhaps, but that's not saying much.

[shivalinga]

scientology teaches that millions of years ago "xenu"
the galactic overlord took a bunch of alien(to us) souls
from around the universe,put them in a volcano,blew up an
atomic bomb,killing them, but their spirits survived
and infect us all, in order to become "clear" of their
influence you need to be cleansed, of course this will set you
back a few bucks,hey but whats 50,000 dollars to rid yourself
of ghosts ?

Rael, he reads the bible as a history of alien invasion,
taking his cue from guys like Sitchin,Gardner,Von Daniken etc,
they postulate that ancient scriptures tell the story of alien
breeding of humanity using genetics, the raeliens expect
the aliens,the "elohim" the plural word for God in the bible,
to come back any time now,his dogma is very similar
to Blavatsky,the Theosophy dogma of the "great white brotherhood"was incorporated by the Nazi's into their
theology also, the Alien mystic brotherhood of super
duper good guys,kind of like a new age justice league
with St.Germain insteadof superman, and

[shivalinga]

cont.

cults like Elizabeth Clare Prophets,also the urantia folks,
and many others buy into thismy brain hurts (http://www.thelivingweb.net/mystery_schools.html) try this on for these guys.

[Waning Moon Conrad]

If you do some digging about, you might find that the Temple of Set's leader was convicted for paedophilia. Young boys apparently. Prepubescent.

There's also a picture of him that I've seen where he sports a Romulan haircut as if that was supposed to make him look dark, mysterious, occulty and oh so credible.