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December 26, 2003, 10:51 AM
FEEDBACK to article(s) about the Kalam Cosmological Argument:
Professor William Craig's Criticisms of Critiques of Kalam Cosmological Arguments By Paul Davies, Stephen Hawking, And Adolf Grünbaum (1995) (http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/graham_oppy/davies.html)
Graham Oppy
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Introduction
The philosophical issue on hand, which is part of the Kalam Cosmological Argument, is a rather old subject in the philosophical debate.
Amongst others, Immanuel Kant wrote about this philosophical issue in [i]Critique of Pure Reason[i] (Kritik der Reiner Vernunft), and in which he argues that both the beginning of time and the infinity of time, can be proven both.
The argument uased in the Kalam Cosmological Argument is also known as the contradiction of the counted infinite number series. This type of argument, very similar to the one used in the Kalam Cosmological Argument, was amongst others put forward by Herr Eugen Duhring, and which was stolen almost literally from Immanuel Kant (in: Critique of Pure Reason), while rejecting the counter proof, which was also given by Kant in the same book.
Infinity of Time
The Infinity of Time is realy a very simple thing, namely that time at either end of the time line has a begin or end. Take two arbitrary points on the time line, measure its distance, and what will yield is a definite and finite number / measurement.
The infinity of time (time without a begin or end) therefore does not imply that any direct measurement of time (time difference) would yield outcomes of infinite numbers, on the contrary!
As well the Kalam Cosmological Argument as the contradiction of the infinite number series state that the series of past events, can not count up to an infinite measurement.
As we alrady have stated, the infinity of time itself, does not imply or involve infinite measurements, but only finite ones.
The infinity of time can be stated as such that there is no finite measurement that could be a bound to a measurement of time difference on the infinite time line. Proof: suppose that such a finite measurement would be a bound to a time measurement of time difference between two specific points on the time line. Now all we would have to do is take the leftmost point, and shift that somewhat to the left. Since on an infinite time line, any point is as arbitrary as the other, and the time line does not have an end to either side, that is a perfectly legal operation. What will come out is that a greater measure as the finite measurement we initially assumed can be achieved, which effictively negates the supposed fact that such a finite measurement would exist.
Contradiction of the infinite number series
Like the Kalam Cosmological Argument, which states that the series of past events can not be an actual infinite, the contradiction of the counted infinite number series states that the outcome of a measurement (count) of the time difference between a suppsed starting point and now, can never yield an infinite measurement/count.
That is of course true. The point is however that the supposed 'starting point' does not exist on the infinite time line, since all points on the infinite time line are arbitrary.
So, in fact the argument smuggles into the premise the things it has to proof, namely that the time line had a starting point at all.
Assuming that the time line had a starting point at all is already assuming that time is not infinite, since an infinite time line does not have a starting point.
What it al comes down to is that infinity can not be conceived of without contradiction. It is a contradiction that the infinite is made up entirely of finite measures, and yet that is the case.
Getting rid of that contradiction, is to get rid of infinity itself.
"The limitedness of the material world leads no less to contradictions than its unlimitedness, and every attempt to get over these contradictions leads, as we have seen, to new and worse contradictions. It is just because infinity is a contradiction that it is an infinite process, unrolling endlessly in time and in space. The removal of the contradiction would be the end of infinity. Hegel saw this quite correctly, and for that reason treated with well-merited contempt the gentlemen who subtilised over this contradiction."
Quote: Friedrich Engels (1877) [i]Anti-Duhring[i] Chapter V. Philosophy of Time and Space.
Link / Reference
For an in-depth discussion against this so-called contradiction of the counted infinite number series that supposedly "proofs" that time had a beginning (a similar objection against the infinity of time as put forward by the Kalam Cosmological Argument) please reference this link:
Friedrich Engels (1877) Anti-Duhring Chapter V. Philosophy of Nature. Time and Space (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/anti-duhring/ch03.htm).
Professor William Craig's Criticisms of Critiques of Kalam Cosmological Arguments By Paul Davies, Stephen Hawking, And Adolf Grünbaum (1995) (http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/graham_oppy/davies.html)
Graham Oppy
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Introduction
The philosophical issue on hand, which is part of the Kalam Cosmological Argument, is a rather old subject in the philosophical debate.
Amongst others, Immanuel Kant wrote about this philosophical issue in [i]Critique of Pure Reason[i] (Kritik der Reiner Vernunft), and in which he argues that both the beginning of time and the infinity of time, can be proven both.
The argument uased in the Kalam Cosmological Argument is also known as the contradiction of the counted infinite number series. This type of argument, very similar to the one used in the Kalam Cosmological Argument, was amongst others put forward by Herr Eugen Duhring, and which was stolen almost literally from Immanuel Kant (in: Critique of Pure Reason), while rejecting the counter proof, which was also given by Kant in the same book.
Infinity of Time
The Infinity of Time is realy a very simple thing, namely that time at either end of the time line has a begin or end. Take two arbitrary points on the time line, measure its distance, and what will yield is a definite and finite number / measurement.
The infinity of time (time without a begin or end) therefore does not imply that any direct measurement of time (time difference) would yield outcomes of infinite numbers, on the contrary!
As well the Kalam Cosmological Argument as the contradiction of the infinite number series state that the series of past events, can not count up to an infinite measurement.
As we alrady have stated, the infinity of time itself, does not imply or involve infinite measurements, but only finite ones.
The infinity of time can be stated as such that there is no finite measurement that could be a bound to a measurement of time difference on the infinite time line. Proof: suppose that such a finite measurement would be a bound to a time measurement of time difference between two specific points on the time line. Now all we would have to do is take the leftmost point, and shift that somewhat to the left. Since on an infinite time line, any point is as arbitrary as the other, and the time line does not have an end to either side, that is a perfectly legal operation. What will come out is that a greater measure as the finite measurement we initially assumed can be achieved, which effictively negates the supposed fact that such a finite measurement would exist.
Contradiction of the infinite number series
Like the Kalam Cosmological Argument, which states that the series of past events can not be an actual infinite, the contradiction of the counted infinite number series states that the outcome of a measurement (count) of the time difference between a suppsed starting point and now, can never yield an infinite measurement/count.
That is of course true. The point is however that the supposed 'starting point' does not exist on the infinite time line, since all points on the infinite time line are arbitrary.
So, in fact the argument smuggles into the premise the things it has to proof, namely that the time line had a starting point at all.
Assuming that the time line had a starting point at all is already assuming that time is not infinite, since an infinite time line does not have a starting point.
What it al comes down to is that infinity can not be conceived of without contradiction. It is a contradiction that the infinite is made up entirely of finite measures, and yet that is the case.
Getting rid of that contradiction, is to get rid of infinity itself.
"The limitedness of the material world leads no less to contradictions than its unlimitedness, and every attempt to get over these contradictions leads, as we have seen, to new and worse contradictions. It is just because infinity is a contradiction that it is an infinite process, unrolling endlessly in time and in space. The removal of the contradiction would be the end of infinity. Hegel saw this quite correctly, and for that reason treated with well-merited contempt the gentlemen who subtilised over this contradiction."
Quote: Friedrich Engels (1877) [i]Anti-Duhring[i] Chapter V. Philosophy of Time and Space.
Link / Reference
For an in-depth discussion against this so-called contradiction of the counted infinite number series that supposedly "proofs" that time had a beginning (a similar objection against the infinity of time as put forward by the Kalam Cosmological Argument) please reference this link:
Friedrich Engels (1877) Anti-Duhring Chapter V. Philosophy of Nature. Time and Space (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/anti-duhring/ch03.htm).