BerntRostrom
January 6, 2004, 12:17 PM
I saw teh parallell to those who say that Lutheran will not be saved cause they have not been experienced the gift of talking in tongue and such signs.
To be an atheist was for me a supporting identity so it felt very shky to not know what identity I had when he challenged mine.
could he have been a real Troll then or just an insensitive selcentered guy like me? He was very blunt and upfront kind of personality.
Tank or Bulldose or Truck or Heavty Machinary type.
Now identity is not easy. 1983 out of loneliness I tried to fit in among the Universalist Quakers. They as Liberals didn't demanded one had the same faith as they did. Behavior more important than doctrine.
The main doctrine was to not have one if I got it. What one did do or how one acted in relations was the important factor.
Now my identity there was the "religious" atheist.
That is indeed contradictionary.
But is not this more due to us seeign the old words like "religious" and not what they refers to. I felt religious, I had no religous faith.
I felt religious more as one could feel musical if one listen to a record and I try to mimic what tehy do singing or playing or one "play out" how it would be to compose that music.
I am not musical but I feel "musical" but teh tones that comes out of me proove I have no ear for tones, when I try to dance to that music it is bvious that I have no talent for that either.
religion as a formal system is similar to teh notes on teh paper. They interpret the written music or improvise it and perform the rituals. same in Organised religion. They have texts that calaim things and they interpret them.
"If you leave your Camel outside of Mosque without binding it and somebody boorows it to take them home and you get it back within a reasonable time then this is not to steal it. That person goes free." when you live in the middle of New York you have to interpret this old text to be about your Ferrarri or Mustang or any fancy Car and you to bind it must means to take the key out of it holder and use the locking meachanism alarma on.
You get what I am saying. Old texts need to be interpreted.
Quakers had old texts from 1652 or so. That is old :) Ok Jesus maybe older but this was George Fox, he was a young kid in his twenties when he started getting "openings" and understood the text i nthe Bible. Interpretation.
See???
Music is very dogmatic. Ask any who reach Violing or singing. The yare very Orthodox. Only the accepted Schools will let you get you needed jobs cause they have these notions on what is a proper interpretation.
They played 7 version of Moonshein Sonata of Schubert. Obvious even to somebody as non-musical as me that this is even worse than what Aatheism or Agnostics or Freethinkers or Humanists coudl be fignting about. 7 very good players all trying to fit within the very tight dogma of how it should be done in tempo and phrasing and ...
Atheism much easier. God created teh earth and all there is and if you don't believe in him you go straight to hell!
Hey I am an Atheist. Ok I approve of you being a full blown atheist.
No so in music. Very tight demands on how to be as they wants it.
Almost totalitarian doctrines on "fidelity". No infidels there.
Pop music is maybe a bit more forgiving and liberal? But look at how fast they get used up. Nobody want to buy their records anymore.
Rick Nelson is totally out now.
My guess is maybe too wild and fancy? If Jesus still holds why is that.? Ok Elvis comes near. He is the King. They walk like Pilgrims to Graceland. Tis Idol thing. Buddy Holly was big when I was about 16 or 17 or so. Don't remember. Now very few care about him.
Jesus still popular indeed. I don't even find it likely that he ever existed. So if he only exists as a kind of mental or social construct why does it go on and go on and on and on.
What is the secret. None of us think it is supernatural.
some describe it as like falling i nlove. They did fall in love with Jesus. Seems very likely to me. The Oxytocin is a "bonding " chemical that bonds two that fall in love to each other.
This is like Idols in Music too. They fall in love with the Idol.
It feels the same. But the difference is the claims of supernatrual power. We have a natural explanation now. It is Vasopressine and Oxytocin that makes it functional. Evangelistic Christians are like lovesick peopel who long for their lover. They even sound like it when they sing. Like if they are in love.
What do you say folks.
To be an atheist was for me a supporting identity so it felt very shky to not know what identity I had when he challenged mine.
could he have been a real Troll then or just an insensitive selcentered guy like me? He was very blunt and upfront kind of personality.
Tank or Bulldose or Truck or Heavty Machinary type.
Now identity is not easy. 1983 out of loneliness I tried to fit in among the Universalist Quakers. They as Liberals didn't demanded one had the same faith as they did. Behavior more important than doctrine.
The main doctrine was to not have one if I got it. What one did do or how one acted in relations was the important factor.
Now my identity there was the "religious" atheist.
That is indeed contradictionary.
But is not this more due to us seeign the old words like "religious" and not what they refers to. I felt religious, I had no religous faith.
I felt religious more as one could feel musical if one listen to a record and I try to mimic what tehy do singing or playing or one "play out" how it would be to compose that music.
I am not musical but I feel "musical" but teh tones that comes out of me proove I have no ear for tones, when I try to dance to that music it is bvious that I have no talent for that either.
religion as a formal system is similar to teh notes on teh paper. They interpret the written music or improvise it and perform the rituals. same in Organised religion. They have texts that calaim things and they interpret them.
"If you leave your Camel outside of Mosque without binding it and somebody boorows it to take them home and you get it back within a reasonable time then this is not to steal it. That person goes free." when you live in the middle of New York you have to interpret this old text to be about your Ferrarri or Mustang or any fancy Car and you to bind it must means to take the key out of it holder and use the locking meachanism alarma on.
You get what I am saying. Old texts need to be interpreted.
Quakers had old texts from 1652 or so. That is old :) Ok Jesus maybe older but this was George Fox, he was a young kid in his twenties when he started getting "openings" and understood the text i nthe Bible. Interpretation.
See???
Music is very dogmatic. Ask any who reach Violing or singing. The yare very Orthodox. Only the accepted Schools will let you get you needed jobs cause they have these notions on what is a proper interpretation.
They played 7 version of Moonshein Sonata of Schubert. Obvious even to somebody as non-musical as me that this is even worse than what Aatheism or Agnostics or Freethinkers or Humanists coudl be fignting about. 7 very good players all trying to fit within the very tight dogma of how it should be done in tempo and phrasing and ...
Atheism much easier. God created teh earth and all there is and if you don't believe in him you go straight to hell!
Hey I am an Atheist. Ok I approve of you being a full blown atheist.
No so in music. Very tight demands on how to be as they wants it.
Almost totalitarian doctrines on "fidelity". No infidels there.
Pop music is maybe a bit more forgiving and liberal? But look at how fast they get used up. Nobody want to buy their records anymore.
Rick Nelson is totally out now.
My guess is maybe too wild and fancy? If Jesus still holds why is that.? Ok Elvis comes near. He is the King. They walk like Pilgrims to Graceland. Tis Idol thing. Buddy Holly was big when I was about 16 or 17 or so. Don't remember. Now very few care about him.
Jesus still popular indeed. I don't even find it likely that he ever existed. So if he only exists as a kind of mental or social construct why does it go on and go on and on and on.
What is the secret. None of us think it is supernatural.
some describe it as like falling i nlove. They did fall in love with Jesus. Seems very likely to me. The Oxytocin is a "bonding " chemical that bonds two that fall in love to each other.
This is like Idols in Music too. They fall in love with the Idol.
It feels the same. But the difference is the claims of supernatrual power. We have a natural explanation now. It is Vasopressine and Oxytocin that makes it functional. Evangelistic Christians are like lovesick peopel who long for their lover. They even sound like it when they sing. Like if they are in love.
What do you say folks.