IS THERE AN EVIL FORCE? Murphey's Law?

[Birdsmgp]

... I've deconverted to Atheism within the last 20 years from being a radical Christian theist. Assuming that if we think there is this God, that it means it has Love and Concern for us. I have not seen evidence of this God, so I'm now an Atheist. But I am amazed to see one type of anomaly in this life. Everything that I try to take notice as supplemental to my incentive needs for greatest desires in at trying to reach goals. I find the opposite situations come at me with greater opposition and the opposite occurs. Like instead of Christians saying God answers Prayers. Which I never have seen happen. After you cancel out normal results to things. I find nothing beyond that makes Prayers get answered. But I do seem to find a phenomenon that occurs in this world, in which seems to be causing trouble instead. Like the more I want to see cloudy weather, the more clear and sunny I keep seeing the weather become. For this time of year, when it is suppose to be cloudy and the more I'm expecting it, the more I end up seeing clearer and sunnier weather. Same has been going on when I want to find a good-looking woman to be in my life. At the age of 49 now, that has become always more elusive to me, when I have tried to seek women out. The same for when I have tried to find my career goals, but instead am on manual labor with minimum wage. Or even when I want to go shopping at an unbusy time, I find the place at it's most busiest instead Etc... I'm always at a point of thinking that there is an evil supernatural force in this world and I don't just believe the Christians for their scapegoat, that this is the Devil. I'm more inclined to think if anything that this God or Devil are or is both the same. If there is anything. I have heard the saying so many times... "It's Murphey's Law". Having to hear that so often, is getting me suspicious.

[Vajradhara]

Namaste,

thank you for the post.

interesting idea... i think that Murphy was an optimist ;)

in all seriousness though... perhaps you are experiencing a non-local quantum fluctuation?

[Viti]

I have always found the world just is, and things just happen as they happen. Our desires mean nothing to the Universe....it's not evil, it is indifferent. It's unfortunate, but what you are talking about, "Murphy's Law" happens to most people I think.

[asgardhaven]

Perhaps its just an observational bias.

[Birdsmgp]

... Hours after my Opening Post. Thoughts of this PBS Program I had seen 4 years ago. "Secrets Of The Dead" The Salem Witch Trials.

... Where this lady investigates the location of these people, to discover that what happen to the people was they got food poisoning that made them have these hallucinations, physical pain and seizures that made the Christian's think these people where being possessed by the Devil or Demons.

... But then to have these miss-understanding of things from the Christians, is a sign of another evil. To me, as if the perceptions came as an evil and the food poisoning occured as an evil. Then the outcome of the two as an Evil? But then again? That just shows us, we need to learn more about the facts, before we are lured into such an evil ordeal. These observational bias perceptions, I guess are true.

... Now when do I get things for what I need? Without anymore trouble? I wouldn't want to be making the wrong ideas about things now.

[Yeshi]

Lucifer on the loose (http://www.rense.com/general49/uci.htm)

Although, same with the Ghod-gods, we have to ask ourselves if there is necesserily 1 overdevil Satan or are there a number of demons working unrelatedly?

I don't know why we need to see everything in extrapolated extremes ad infinitum?

[Birdsmgp]

... I am just remembering the things that continue to remind me as to what makes this perception of some kind Evil influence in the world, that still seems like there is a possibility.

There was another PBS Series Program I had seen in 1998 or 1999. Like 5 years ago.

DEATH ~ { PROTECTION FROM EVIL?} !*
> - "DEATH The Trip of a Lifetime" "Part 2 - THE GOOD DEATH" with Greg Palmer
> - Greg Palmer Discribes this Part … The Scientific and Superstitious Views Of Proventing Death from an Evil… Greg Palmer explains a strange occurance with this So Called: Witch Doctor: Nadica (?) Phe’ Adou! (?) after his visit in (?) Kumasi GHANA AFRICA.

... > He says that Nadica - Phe' Adou needed to bless Greg Palmer before he left on his flight back to the United States for Protection. Greg Palmer in his program, discribes that on his return flight, his plane did encounter the need for an emergancy landing. And then to his surprise, he gets a letter from Nadica - Phe' Adou the following day asking about his safe return. And Greg Palmer in his program, said letters from Kumasi GHANA AFRICA can take months to get to the United States. Knowing that his letter was sent before his flight back to the United States as if the Witch Doctor Nadica - Phe' Adou had this ESP thing with Greg Palmer? It was quite eerie and a coincidence? Greg Palmer is an Atheist. He seemed to investigate this idea as Free Thinking and to gather all the ideas and cultural ideas of Death with his investigation for his Program. I don't think he was suggesting a seudo (sp?) chauvinism for such a supernatural cause that happen to him. But what he mentioned, seemed to be his facts of these events and one has to wonder about that. As he was offering in the Program.

[Yeshi]

I don't get it quite what has shaman's precognition/premonition to do with the concept of an evil force (the subject of the thread).

I take it for granted that any shaman/medicine men/lama worth his salt develops premonition as one of the first powers on his spiritual quest to help others.

[Birdsmgp]

... Right! Nadica - Phe' Adou was a shaman/medicine man/lama. And Greg Palmer was visiting at that place in Kumasi GHANA AFRICA, to get the Documentary for his Program. Death to these people from what I gathered, that there was a belief in an... Evil Force. If not this Thread is about the question of there being an... Evil Force in this world. I got this interpretation that Nadica - Phe' Adou got this precognition/premonition that this Evil Force was going to Kill Greg Palmer or inflict some kind of bodily harm. So Greg Palmer in his program said, that he needed a ritual performed on him to Protect him from this... Evil Force Greg Palmer went along with it, as he said with skeptism. But after having the skeptism, when his real return to the United Stated occured. He said his plane had to make an emergancy for not being able to sustain his flight to his destination. It had to dump fuel and make an emergancy landing somewhere else. Once he got home, he received a letter the following day from shaman/medicine man/lama Nadica - Phe' Adou asking if he got home safely. His letter was sent before his return back to the United States with this eerie coincidence kind of thing. So it raises some thought about, what seems more like this miss understood phenomenons such as... Is this really the results of an Evil Force?

... And did Nadica - Phe' Adou's ritual of protection actually protected Greg Palmer from something more tragic from what this... Evil Force could actual have done to him? I'm talking about an... Evil Force in a Thread about an... Evil Force. So how could I not be off the Topic?

[Birdsmgp]

... This Evil Force seems still almost real to me. It seems like it keeps me from from saying things the way I should, in order to make more sense to things. The Previous Post does explain more, from what I left out. And now I'm glad to add that additional information that for some reason, I left out explaining about Nadica - Phe' Adou and Greg Palmer in the previous Post. Geeezzz!

And some other things is why every Winter I get invaded by Ants, when I do not find Ant trials outside my place. My place is on stilts, which is on asphalt. There isn't any ground under my place for them to sneak in like that. I would have to see them crawling on the asphalt as the only course to getting into my place. I had gotten this TERRO ANT KILLER for the last two years and it only reduced them for a time, then they increase again. And sometimes seem to come from now where at times.

[Yeshi]

many non-christian religions as well as shamanic or "nature worshipping" ones assume there are other beings (most time invisible to normal human eyes) that can hold a grudge against you, for something you have done.

There are also jinxes and other black magic arts where malicious people can set forces against you too.

[Birdsmgp]

... After I went to find and look at that segment from the recorded program of Greg Palmer and Nadica - Phe' Adou on a Video Tape I have on it. Listening again to Greg Palmer, I recalled some stuff that I was off on my information and I will try to correct it here.

... Greg Palmer said his plane lost two engines when going to England first. Having to dump fuel, before the emergancy landing. Not in the United States. And He said that the letter he got from Nadica - Phe' Adou came after he wrote a letter to Nadica - Phe' Adou. And that he got his letter the following day... (Saying...) ... That Nadica - Phe' Adou Thanked Greg for his Letter. For which Nadica - Phe' Adou shouldn't had received yet and had the time to really reply with a response to it. Not that he asked if Greg had a safe return, like I said. My error with that.

... And Greg didn't exactly say it was a ritual of protection, but that he got Blessed with a protection.

... I'm trying not to get suspicious in such things. But I do have a hard time, trying to figure out so many oppositions I get in my life. All I would like is to see some success in my efferts to things and get above my marooned situations. I would have seen and experienced a lot of strange oppositions in my life. For which I can not recall at this time. But I'm hoping if any such things come to my mind, that I will Post them here in the future?

[Birdsmgp]

... I wish I could figure why when I would like to see days Cloudy without the Sun, that I could be in that part in the world. I don't know what is going on, but this whole Winter Season for Rain, seems to occur only at night time. It will spinkle occasionally during the day trying to tease and fool me as if this is rain, but in the hours of 11:00 to 3:00 directly in the middle of the Night is when it deluges. I did my job yesterday with the 70% Clouds trying to break up occasionally so it can aggravate me having to see the Sun and it was the wind ~. After the Sun sets, then it begins to really rain. Not sprinkle occasionally. Now that it is day time the clouds are clearing and everything is like flooded. As if all the rain was trying to stealth in through the night and not allow itself to occur for the day time hours... :confused: It is also upsetting me... http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/starbys/angry.gifhttp://fool.exler.ru/sm/vis.gif

[Birdsmgp]

... Last night I spent an Hour scripting and making out a Post in this Thread... > Miscellaneous Discussions > "A Question To Those Who Are Not Gay" > By Aurora Elegance <

... And by the time I tried to... > [ Submit Reply ] < (Clicked On it...) This IIDB was down again and lost all the good information I was going to contribute to that Thread.

... I do not feel like spending another hour trying to remember what all I was trying to say there. But I think I had something good to say.

... Em? Still makes me think of an Evil Force going on? :mad:

[Viti]

That sucks brds, I am sorry. Many of us have had similar things happen due to technology failures and it is very frustrating.

[Birdsmgp]

... Now my unconscience memory about this Posting in Homosexual Threads comes to my mind.

... In that Summer of 2003. I had done the same thing over at Christian Forums to say about the same thing in a Homosexual Thread. When that Site went down at the same time I was going to Post in a Thread. In fact that was just when that Message Board lost everything, the following day it had admitted to what happen. And it took the first week for Erwin to get their New Message Board up going again. I had spent an hour and was trying to make a Post in this Homosexual Thread. When all this happened then also. http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/mad/1447.gif

[Birdsmgp]

... I still don't get it? For me, I like to see the Day time Rain. And usually and mostly it Rains during the night. Yesterday we had a 13 Hours of Heavy Winds ( 60 mph) & Rain Storm. Starting at 2:00 am to 3:00 pm yesterday after noon, so that The Sun got to Shine in the Afternoons - (Which I Hate). The Sky becomes Nearly 95% totally Clear from an evening errand I did. Could see the Stars, The Moon and Venus. So as I try to go to sleep early like 9:00 pm. I hear it Starting to Rain. (I'm thinking here we go again. Night time Rain so I can't see it during the Day.) Well, I try to sleep until 12:30 am in the middle of the night. So I decided to get some caffeine in me and see if I can watch this rain in the night. Thirty minutes later by 1:00 am. The Rain Stops. So I just peddled around until Sun Rise and I lay down and it starts Raining again. I'm trying to do some other things and then as I look outside to try to see that Rain. It had Stopped and cleared alittle. So I go back and do something and then hear it Raining again. So as I tryed to arrange to go out side to see the Rain. It Stops and Clears up. I go back inside and then it starts Raining again. I go Out Side and it Stops and Clears Up. This is getting weird! :rolleyes:

[Vajradhara]

Namaste,

perhaps... a change in perspective would help?

you know.. when it's night and raining where you are... it is daylight somewhere else :)

[Straight Hate]

I cannot believe in the idea of an evil force present in our world, but I do like to invoke/curse Murphy's law quite frequently.

I think it's usually a matter of selective attention. I woke up recently one Monday morning to find my car had a flat tire. Great! just what I need to start off another crappy week, right?

...What I didn't realize until after was that the night before I had made a 5 hour roadtrip and could have gotten the flat then - minus 40, middle of winter, no cars on the road because it's so late, no cellphone, no tires shops open.... In this particular instance, I thanked Murphy for delaying his speciality.

[Birdsmgp]

... The Evil I see, isn't how it can make things always be the worse for us. The way I see it, is how much Tease it can get us to wanting something and then make subtle things inconvenant, so as to keep struggling for our wanted interest with more ardous... (Like anti-ergonomical and irksome and stark - anti-architectual - lack of taste Etc...) ... (It's pathetic!) ... circumstances. If one doesn't comply with the subjective and subjugated cultures and society. Trying to make it harder to appreciate the subtle things in life. Is the way I'm seeing it actually happening. I'm having another bad day today. Clear and Sunny and I'm not in a good mood. This has been one of the worse years for me in not having a day I can make any progress in. Yesterday was ideal. But 12 Hours isn't enough for me to make a dent in things. As soon as it calms me, the next day is back to rile me up with aggravation again! http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/t/steamed.gif

[Birdsmgp]

... It seems to me, when I have spent 40 years... + (I'm 49 years old) ... And the major choices for where I wanted my life to go. When my choices in life are constantly set back with the opposition in the contradiction of what I need and want. There has got to be an EVIL FORCE < ! >

... Today's totally clear and sunny weather is really upsetting me and so is my Job ! :mad: http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/t/steamed.gifhttp://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/t/splat.gif

... I was wondering if 2004 would have something good for me? I haven't found it yet, but a day like today getting me very upset and depressed !!!

[Birdsmgp]

... No matter what I try to do. This Year is the most powerful in having opposition to my life. I really do believe something is Evil in this world. I'm exhusted trying to make my point. Everything that can go wrong is doing that on me this year. It is a conspiracy to take meds also. Which is another Evil!

[Viti]

Originally posted by Birdsmgp
... No matter what I try to do. This Year is the most powerful in having opposition to my life. I really do believe something is Evil in this world. I'm exhusted trying to make my point. Everything that can go wrong is doing that on me this year. It is a conspiracy to take meds also. Which is another Evil!

It is not a conspiracy, if your meds will make you less anxious, and better able to deal with the world as it is then they are not evil. If you choose not to take your meds, you will have to find some other way to cope with things....and coping is difficult for all of us, which is why so many people are on antidepressants!

[Birdsmgp]

... Why can't people stop annoying me with their damn Noise!!!???

... This Year it has multiplied to aggravate me more and more and more. There has got to be this "Evil Force" in thjis damn World! :mad:

... And more Clear & Sunny Weather, that I Hate! Even 20 Degrees Above Normal and has been breaking Records for the last 10 Days this Month! And it continues. And the more I look for solutions, the more there isn't!!! Life is being Hell On Earth!!!!

... SHIT !!!

[The Hillbilly]

Birdsmgp,

I can't say I know how you feel, but I know how you feel. 2003 was my year of the devil. I'm not sure 2004 will be much better, but at least all the crap I went through last year will not occur again. Of course, there are other craps that could happen. Fotunately, I have changed for 2004. Instead of letting things get to me, I'm just going to let it go. If Murphy wants to exercise it's Law then I'll just turn left, and go about my business.

[Leah]

birdsmgp,

yes, there is a lot of negative things happening in life, and you will find that it pretty much comes down to "eat" or "be eaten",
take advantage of others or others will take advantage of you.

Life simply holds many challenges, and it is up to us to challenge those and win or overcome them. Dealing with defeat is another thing.

Although I haven't found the peace of mind to reply in depth to you, what I know of you so far, is not really that much more negative a life, then many people have experienced.

I claim to be a realist, while in real life I'm seen as an always jolly optimist. Being able to laugh and cry at the same time, can be very helpful in life, perhaps you try to learn that.
And then, regardless how you feel, and what you feel, smiling at or about others, can be very helpful and it smoothens many bad faces and reveals a smile also in their face.

Might sound horribly naive, but
"love the world and the world will love you. Hate the world and the world will hate you".

Then, don't put your expectations of life too high. Less can be more.
Sit down and make a list of all the things and fortune you
do have.
I don't claim to be the happiest person about, but other then inner peace I have pretty much everything any person could wish for. And still is there the constant search for something.
I wonder if you perhaps also experience that constant search, some call it a god, some call it a purpose in life, and some simply call it "inner peace". Basically finding the balance with oneself, and accepting the things one can't change in life, while being greatful for the things one can and does have in life.

Think positive and smile, when something goes wrong, think of all the things that went right that day. Trying to keep some of that naive, and careless child within our character can be ever so helpful and people will enjoy your company, good things will happen more and more.

:)

[Birdsmgp]

... I found me this Blog Site for myself today. 2004 March Saturday 20. Here is my Link to it ... My Blog Site (http://mgpjwbirds.blog-city.com/)

... I hope this will make things better understood?

... It is not the best way to have the maintenance people always running a Leaf Blower at 4:00 or 5:00 AM at the time I'm trying to get myself awake. And have to listen to it for 20 minutes long. I have to live with this 360 mornings where I live at. It usually is having to put up with 90% of these things for these entire years of my life. Maybe if I even could get a good start out of my day, I could have something to over come. But this is the epidome of having to deal with everything!

[Birdsmgp]

... I have some Statistics I like to add here. And see what can be made of it...(???)
... I have lived at where I work... Since: January 1983 to the Present April 2004. A year is 365? Days (-) (minus) (-) a couple months = 300 Days. My previous Post last Month explained the annoyance of the maintenance crew on me for all these years and days. The amount of years = 21 years. 300 Days X (multiplied by) 21 = 6,300 Days. 6,300 Days of being harassed. Back in the mid 1980's during this time. I tried the praying technically when I was trying to test out if this God was for real. It has been one of the factors that has shown me that I have not seen the evidence of this God solving this problem and for the true existance of a God. But on the irony and contrary... I have actually seen more trouble, when I don't want it. Which has always made me wonder... If there is something Evil and Wicked acting on me...(???) I had been hoping to actually wanting to find myself finding and being with a woman for these 6,300 days instead. But I have been humilated about even finding the woman, let alone having the chances of being with one. So as I look at this equation = 6,300 days of harasment in my life = (equalled to ) = \ 0 Days for finding my intimacy = with then I get and I'm harassed for even trying to make something of it... Seems to equate something very unusual for the oppositions I get from every turn and situation I'm struggling to resolve.

[StandupHookupGo]

murphy's law ("if it can go wrong it will") makes perfect intuitive sense:
the set of all possible bad or undesirable outcomes in an situation vastly outnumbers the set of all possible desirable outcomes.
due to our pickiness in defining a "good" outcome, the "bad" outcomes have the overwhelming advantage, i'm afraid. :(

[premjan]

isn't life just a battle against entropy?

[Birdsmgp]

isn't life just a battle against entropy?

... I'm sure it is. I'm bothered how it is directed or even directed more in my life, then having the needed resources to succeed over things.
... I find my ordeal like spending most of my life building an Airplane, that is capable to flying. Then hit hard by economic entropy like crazy, so as I can never fly the Airplane. So my complete goals for what I want fulfilled in my life never get to them and have going for me. So now I'm... "What the Hell is with this?" While I'm stuck in this Rut.