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richard2
March 18, 2004, 09:38 PM
Ciao,
I have a question about 1 Timothy 6:15-16 and immortality. The verse says, "...which God will bring about in his own time--God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen."
This verse says that God alone is immortal. But how can this be? For instance, angels are spiritual beings created by God. They are immortal. Also, men are a body and soul composite created by God. Their souls are immortal. At least this is how it is according to Catholic theology and orthodox Christianity.
I await your answers.
Richard
redzrx
March 19, 2004, 01:35 AM
Is what a devout would say. Have faith and forget logic and reason.. There that fixes all the problems you athiests have .. Now convert!
But seriously I think this is almost like a prayer/sales pitch and is basically meant to show that god is Immortal more so then anything else./ HE's higher,stronger,smarter,brighter.. etc.
I don't think the scribe was trying to create a conflict but to show the status of God is higher then everthing else.(either that or the translation is wrong)
Hope this makes sense.
Mario
richard2
March 19, 2004, 03:41 AM
Originally posted by redzrx
But seriously I think this is almost like a prayer/sales pitch and is basically meant to show that god is Immortal more so then anything else./ HE's higher,stronger,smarter,brighter.. etc.
Mario
How can one being's immortality be greater than another's? But I think the verse is clear when it says "...who alone is immortal...", and not "who is most immortal". Other translations say "...who alone cannot die...", "who alone possesses immortality", etc.
Peter Kirby
March 19, 2004, 05:14 AM
It may be saying that God is the only "king" that holds power over death. "Since the emperor was viewed as immortal after death, this statement is aimed against emperor worship." (William Mounce, Pastoral Epistles, p. 362.
best,
Peter Kirby
richard2
March 19, 2004, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by Peter Kirby
It may be saying that God is the only "king" that holds power over death. "Since the emperor was viewed as immortal after death, this statement is aimed against emperor worship." (William Mounce, Pastoral Epistles, p. 362.
best,
Peter Kirby
Thanks, Peter.
Richard
redzrx
March 19, 2004, 08:26 AM
Never thought of that but .. very logical..
thanx Peter
Mario
MysteryProf
March 21, 2004, 04:26 PM
What about the "whom no one has seen or can see" part of the verse? If I recall correctly, one of the beatitudes is:
Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God.
~MysteryProf
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