F*** Jesus- There is no hell

[Dave]

fuck jesus. i live in a whacko fundamentalist christian house. my family is a bunch of wackos. my parents constantly bother my grandparents about not being christians. if jesus is really god and he'd send my grandparents to hell, well then fuck jesus.

[Postcard73]

Hmmm... I'm gonna move this thread to SL.

Scott (Postcard73)
GRD Moderator

[Stacey Melissa]

I share your sentiments about Jesus. If I found out the god of the Bible actually existed, the first thing I would do would be to extend my middle finger toward the sky.

[Dave]

Originally posted by Stacey Melissa
I share your sentiments about Jesus. If I found out the god of the Bible actually existed, the first thing I would do would be to extend my middle finger toward the sky.
same here

[yelyos]

In fact, I just did.

Just in case.

[Face]

Jesus (and here I am talking about the historical Jesus, the "Peace, Brotherhood, and Prostitutes washing my feet with their hair" hippy Jesus that may or may not have actually lived) was probably a decent enough guy who didn't really get on the boat of bigotry and violence like the OT before and Paul after him.

What I used to get mad at, and what you should remember, is that it's not Jesus (he's dead) who is making your life hard. It's the people who believe he's a god who are - at worst - violent, bigoted, or cruel. So chew your parents out for behaving like asses if you want, but I wouldn't blame Jesus since it only gives them the idea that it's not their fault. Always hold people responsible for THEIR actions - don't let them get away with blaming imaginary friends.

[Plognark]

Good point face ;)

[Proxima Centauri]

Just wait till you're financially independent before you chew your parents out Dave. A crazy family like yours is enough to turn many folk atheist.

:mad:

Sorry the last thread got derailed with all those jokes about God. It wasn't only my fault. Please tell us how things are at your school. :banghead: Whatever your teacher says you're not with the devil 'cause the devil doesn't exist. Remember to study hard so you can get a decent job or career. Then you can f*ck all those Christians.

[Jamie_L]

Said it before, I'll say it again.

If it turns out I'm wrong, and there is a god up there, and he's really loving and forgiving, he'll love and forgive me. After all, I made an honest mistake based on the information he fed into the brain he made me.

If, on the other hand, it turns out gods a farthing bastach, well, it probably wouldn't matter much if I believed or not. He'd probably smack me around for fun.

Ultimately, God's either going to give you a hand, give you a backhand, ignore you, or not be there at all. In none of those scenarios does it really matter what you believe.

Jamie

[Rymmie1981]

fuck jesus. i live in a whacko fundamentalist christian house. my family is a bunch of wackos. my parents constantly bother my grandparents about not being christians. if jesus is really god and he'd send my grandparents to hell, well then fuck jesus.
Then you can f*ck all those Christians.

Maybe I'm just being facetious, but I wouldn't want fuck Jesus or all those Christians(especially if they were my family). :D

No, really, I would wait until you're out and moving on to the next part of your life before letting go with the a-bomb. If your family are true wackos, like a wacko's wacko type family, they'll probably disown you. If they have any bit of reason or human nature in them, they'll love you even though you are going to rot in hell for all eternity.:rolleyes: Either way, you should evaluate whether alienating your parents is worth standing up for your grandparents and your beliefs.

[JTurtle]

Originally posted by Dave
fuck jesus. i live in a whacko fundamentalist christian house. my family is a bunch of wackos. my parents constantly bother my grandparents about not being christians. if jesus is really god and he'd send my grandparents to hell, well then fuck jesus.

From your language, and the fact that you live with your family I am guessing you are probably a teenager/young adult. I'm 20, I know this time can bring a lot of hormonal changes and stresses due to school etc. This to me seems like a "I'm a rebellious teen in the midst of puberty and I just had a breakout" rant.


Jonathan

[please check out the rules for SL (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42947)......no preaching, thank you -Jacey]

[JTurtle]

Originally posted by Jamie_L
Said it before, I'll say it again.

If it turns out I'm wrong, and there is a god up there, and he's really loving and forgiving, he'll love and forgive me. After all, I made an honest mistake based on the information he fed into the brain he made me.

If, on the other hand, it turns out gods a farthing bastach, well, it probably wouldn't matter much if I believed or not. He'd probably smack me around for fun.

Ultimately, God's either going to give you a hand, give you a backhand, ignore you, or not be there at all. In none of those scenarios does it really matter what you believe.

Jamie

[Preaching removed -Jacey]

[Jamie_L]

Originally posted by JTurtle
It means they REJECTED the ONLY cure for their disease.

Right. The ONLY cure, because God - aka Jesus - didn't make another one, for a disease that God - aka Jesus - made in the first place.

Although, from another perspective, there's an important point here. If your parents see things this way, their concerns are legitimate to them. If they perceive that people they carea bout are in dire need, then it may drive them to desperate measures to spread a message they believe is vital to their safety.

Bottom line is, you gotta live with these people. Sometimes maintaining harmony is the better part of sanity. Being angry at Jesus isn't going to change anything, after all - nothing about how your family interacts with each other anyway. And acting angry with your family probably isn't going to win you any prizes either. Whatever happens, good luck. And remember, just because we sound intelligent on a message board doesn't mean we are.

Jamie

[Jamie_L]

JTurtle,

If you want to have a discussion about this, I'd be glad to entertain it in Gen. Religious Discussions or EoG. I won't derail this Lifestyle thread any further.

Peace.

Jamie

Edited in response to the moderator comment below. I meant to say GRD, but my fingers betrayed me. Curse you, fingers! :)

[Krosis]

just fyi.. Misc Disc is a religion free zone.. so better make that General Religious Discussions instead. ;)

-cheers

[AspenMama]

Originally posted by Dave
fuck jesus. i live in a whacko fundamentalist christian house. my family is a bunch of wackos. my parents constantly bother my grandparents about not being christians. if jesus is really god and he'd send my grandparents to hell, well then fuck jesus.
That really bites! There's your loving xian god...

How people live with this cognitive dissonance, I'll never know. Can you go stay with your grandparents for a while?

[sharon45]

Originally posted by Face
Jesus (and here I am talking about the historical Jesus, the "Peace, Brotherhood, and Prostitutes washing my feet with their hair" hippy Jesus that may or may not have actually lived) was probably a decent enough guy who didn't really get on the boat of bigotry and violence like the OT before and Paul after him.

What I used to get mad at, and what you should remember, is that it's not Jesus (he's dead) who is making your life hard. It's the people who believe he's a god who are - at worst - violent, bigoted, or cruel. So chew your parents out for behaving like asses if you want, but I wouldn't blame Jesus since it only gives them the idea that it's not their fault. Always hold people responsible for THEIR actions - don't let them get away with blaming imaginary friends. Exactly, but even though both versions of jesus never existed, the 'hippy' jesus is in far too many people's imagination because they really don't bother to read through the gospels enough, it is a lot easier to blame others that tried to follow, paul all the way to the present with the OP's parents. I realize though, that blame is to centered with that who is really to blame, this imaginary jesus that never existed right, but is fully formed inside the NT to corrupt as many as possible within a clear enough deception of 'goodwill' and 'peace and love'. I always know to blame those that know how to manipulate people into armies of their own personal will, many come to mind, but jesus is easily the 'grandest' of them all, even as a made up created character as outlandish as that sounds.

[sharon45]

Originally posted by JTurtle
From your language, and the fact that you live with your family I am guessing you are probably a teenager/young adult. I'm 20, I know this time can bring a lot of hormonal changes and stresses due to school etc. This to me seems like a "I'm a rebellious teen in the midst of puberty and I just had a breakout" rant.


JonathanYes, it can be some of that, but mostly it is a person growing up and finally starting to think and understand for themselves without so much of others to push their personal rules on them because they are living with their parents. As a person becomes an adult(and even some much before that), they have all the right to decide and choose for themselves.

[Zora]

Are your grandparents theists of another kind, or are they unbelievers? Either way, I doubt they are the least bit concerned about their likelihood of burning in hell eternally.

When "love", acceptance, coercion and persuasion fail....the fallback argument is something along the lines of "OK, I warned you. You're really gonna get it when Dad finds out."

Let your grandparents know YOU love and respect them just the way they are. Understand that your parents are motivated by fear and a desire to control others. Remember that someday you will be on your own and free to make your own decisions. Compare the methods of Christianity with other cults.

Read about the "near death experiences" of other cultures and religions. If a culture or religion doesn't believe in hell, these experiences don't involve a hell. If the religion doesn't involve Jesus, the NDE of the adherent doesn't either. Your grandparents aren't going to hell.

[Face]

Originally posted by sharon45
I always know to blame those that know how to manipulate people into armies of their own personal will, many come to mind, but jesus is easily the 'grandest' of them all, even as a made up created character as outlandish as that sounds.
I suppose the idol that is Jesus has power in and of itself - like the crown jewels of England or any other inanimate object that has significance.

My main sub-reason is the fact that if you allow the 'problem' to be the rules of God, you have already allowed the discussion to presume that God and his rules exist to BE a problem, which is really giving theistic beliefs too much credit.

By blaming the individual and discarding any mention of Jesus, you are forcing people to be directly accountable for their actions and basically telling them that you are judging them as if it were their decision, not the Bible's.

Just fleshing out my opinion somewhat - I *do* understand your comments, mind.

[Vinnie]

Originally posted by Dave
fuck jesus. i live in a whacko fundamentalist christian house. my family is a bunch of wackos. my parents constantly bother my grandparents about not being christians. if jesus is really god and he'd send my grandparents to hell, well then fuck jesus.

Amen.

Vinnie

[Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ]

Originally posted by Stacey Melissa
I share your sentiments about Jesus. If I found out the god of the Bible actually existed, the first thing I would do would be to extend my middle finger toward the sky.

In the interest of not having to endure the most painful tortures imaginable (nad I have a fertile fucking mind for this kind of shit), I would do my best to at least not piss God off too much, and would rather politley (and without sounding like a total fucking wimp), beg for mercy. By mercy I would imagine non-existence to be much, well, better than having one's eyes lanced with white-hot needles, and the sokcets raped by spiky dildos. Just a bit.

[Stacey Melissa]

Originally posted by Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ
In the interest of not having to endure the most painful tortures imaginable (nad I have a fertile fucking mind for this kind of shit), I would do my best to at least not piss God off too much, and would rather politley (and without sounding like a total fucking wimp), beg for mercy. By mercy I would imagine non-existence to be much, well, better than having one's eyes lanced with white-hot needles, and the sokcets raped by spiky dildos. Just a bit.
I figure I'd get tortured no matter what by such an insane deity, so I might as well tell the bastard what I think of him.

[pistonhips]

Originally posted by sharon45
Exactly, but even though both versions of jesus never existed, the 'hippy' jesus is in far too many people's imagination because they really don't bother to read through the gospels enough, it is a lot easier to blame others that tried to follow, paul all the way to the present with the OP's parents. I realize though, that blame is to centered with that who is really to blame, this imaginary jesus that never existed right, but is fully formed inside the NT to corrupt as many as possible within a clear enough deception of 'goodwill' and 'peace and love'. I always know to blame those that know how to manipulate people into armies of their own personal will, many come to mind, but jesus is easily the 'grandest' of them all, even as a made up created character as outlandish as that sounds.

This is a good point. The Jesus I have read about in the bible is a judgmental, controlling freak.

[Proxima Centauri]

Is it possible for you to move in with your grandparents for a bit? How would you feel about that, Dave?