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Norseman
March 29, 2004, 06:26 AM
Scientology

For those of you who wondered what it is, here's my story.

Sad to say from my dark and shameful history, my whole family was scientologist at a time :eek:

I went to a scientology school from preschool to the beggining of 2nd grade when I, like my sister before me, decided to go to public school instead. In 7th grade, my report card was quite dismal, so my mother (being much more forceful than my father) decided to send me back to private school, now in the Mohave Desert, at Mohave Academy boarding school.

The first location we were brought to was a serene man-made lake, surrounded by houses and palm trees. They had a trampoline, a kayak, a swing, everything to make a kid go crazy about the place. Well, I went inside and met the principal, who put me on a lie detector and asked me some questions (the weirdest one being if I had ever taken Riddlin, they seem to think you've been tainted after taking Riddlin or something). So, we went to the second building which was where they said I would stay.

At this second location was an even larger lake, and 10-15 horses. They had a library, and an extensive botanical garden, even a chicken coop. We set up my bed and I had lunch and explored, and later that day my parents left.

The day after, I was moved to a third location, called 'the farm'. It was a pretty beat up blend between a junkyard and a small trailer park, with the main buildings all being very worn down and appearing to be no younger than 40 years old. This place had a dried up lake, and a barbed wire fence going all the way around it. I was made to pack up and I was moved here, where I would sleep for the remainder of my time at Mohave Academy.

We were made to wash our dishes, cook our own food, wash our own clothes, and essentially be independent of the academy short of basic resources. We weren't taught anything scholarly, just how to live indepently of the school.


Entertainment was minimal at best as Mohave Academy had a strict rule on video games, TV's, radios, pretty much anything electronic besides lights, blenders, toasters, and washing machines was not allowed. They didn’t let us have candy or magazines either. Without gameboys, PS2s, and TV, the only thing remaining was night tag which we would play every night at dusk, generally spending most of the day building forts to aid us in the game.

Every morning, we'd get up at the crack of dawn before the sun was high, and drive by van to the second location to have a morning march through the desert. Sometimes the wind would pick up and the grains of sand would whip into our eyes, but usually we managed to march back within two hours, before any of us had succumbed to dehydration. We would remain briefly to do chores and then return to the farm.

53 days into my stay at Mohave Academy, and a kid named Joel came along. Joel immediately disliked place and had very little patience. He would take blame for everything, whether he did it or not. They simply wouldn’t let him go (I don’t blame them, they made like 800$ a week to have him there). So one day, he decided to just walk out the front gate and wander into the desert, as he was leaving, I joined him. Together we walked for nearly 3 hours, until finally we had wandered into one of their cars and got caught. As Joel had a kidney stone he was already aching and wasn’t up for running, and I wasn’t going to leave him, so we returned to the Academy. When we got back our parents were called and informed that we had gone missing and were retrieved, and within three days me and Joel both had our tickets home.

My mother was screaming at me, as if I had gone missing just yesterday, I couldn’t blame her for it, but it really was too much for me. For the next two weeks I secluded myself from my family, as every time my mother saw me she would find something to nag about, no matter how small a detail it might be, or send to do something, just anything, so long as she could work me like a mule.

Finally my parents cooled down about it, and returned to their mostly Presbyterian ways. As for me, I had always been atheist, since I knew what the word meant, I don’t know if scientology had any bearing on my atheism, but I know the conflict between Presbyterianism and Scientology was enough to force me to conclude that both religions were false.

Now, you wanted the core principles of Scientology? It only has a couple parts:

1. No god
2. Souls do exist
3. When you die your soul goes to mount Everest where an invisible rapidly blinking light flashes out your memory and implants your soul into a new body. (Probably explains the phobia with Televisions; “SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES!!!! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!�)
4. If you’re sad enough you can die, to the point where you can never be reincarnated, you can even get sadder while dead.
5. L. Ron Hubbard is the only one to have achieved ultimate bliss/enlightenment and thus has strange magical powers.

The auditing programs generally involve them trying to provide the 'professional help' that many pastors do, and they usually also tell you to take massive amounts of vitamins and sweat out contaminants in a sweat room.

And that’s basically all there is to it.

Yeshi
March 29, 2004, 08:27 AM
I think its actually a disgrace to even call it a "religion".

It's a cult devised by clever and cunning SF writer Hubbard to earn him good money. And it did, placing him on the top of the feeding pyramid of "beleivers" that get entrapped by mumbo-jumbo of psychological tricks and collected sayings from other religions.

In some parts of the world (Germany?) Scientology is banned as a scam cult.

I would not beleive or follow any New Age cult, these can be highly damaging and dangerous, most being invented on purpose of misleading gullible ppl.

The Evil One
March 29, 2004, 08:45 AM
Actually, reading a non-scientologist biography of hubbard makes it reasonably clear that he was mentally ill and may well have actually believed his own bilge. Certainly, all that money never seems to have made him happy.

dr_zukov
March 29, 2004, 11:01 AM
Everything you ever wanted to know about Scientology but were afraid to ask: Operation clambake (http://www.clambake.org)

From what I've read in this book (http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/apobs/) you're lucky you got away in time. To me Scientology seems to be one of the worst cults currently in existance, besides being even more ridiculous than Christianity. It's just amazing what people will believe.

Light
March 29, 2004, 11:48 AM
Scientology is not a correct catholic belief.

Matrioshka_Brain
March 29, 2004, 03:55 PM
Also look too:

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/wakefield/us.html

That Clearwater incident makes me think of the phrase "Coming to a town near you." <shudders>

Wikipedia.org also has information on it, and it's battles with online critics ("Scientology vs The Internet"), for starters.

It's not a religion. It needs to be banned.

Light
March 29, 2004, 04:27 PM
Brainwashing and Thought Control in Scientology ... is "interesting" in relation to Big Brother, Big Government and 1984.

Soon, you too may have a "speak-write" where all you have to do is speak and the words will appear on the computer screen in front of you.

As you use the speak-write so they ARE brain-washing you into a virtual reality sense of total "enjoyment".

You feel as if you are in touch with reality but the true reality is ...

... that reality is slipping away from you.

Your life has been taken over by the machine to which you have become the slave.

You are no longer free as you used to be, before they started playing games with you.

Toys 'R us, means ....... you.

The All-Knowing will set His "Thought Police" on you, if you think one thing, say one thing, or do one thing, out of place.

"Big Daddy" and Big Brother are watching you.

You MUST conform to the "party" line!

Vajradhara
March 29, 2004, 04:58 PM
Namaste all,

$cientology is scary. if you really want to get to the roots of this you'll need to do some research on some esoteric areas... namely, the O.T.O and a guy named Jack Parsons and see for yourself how they are connected.

Operating Clambake is a great link... here's a link to the $cientology "tech"
http://www.clambake.org/archive/secret.html

andy_d
March 30, 2004, 05:14 AM
I think its actually a disgrace to even call it a "religion".
In some parts of the world (Germany?) Scientology is banned as a scam cult.


I don't think the organisation has been banned (I doubt that would be legal) but it has been stripped of it's status as a recognised religion, and Scientologists are prohibited from holding public office.

Light
March 30, 2004, 05:46 AM
You should not have religion at all. It is not exactly "banned" on our planet, it is just that we never have had one. Instead you should have a global system which is helpful to everyone. After all you don't have a religion on your moon, or on your Sun, or on any of the other planets in this Solar system, so why have one here?

One fair system is enough, and the nearest idea you have is to say "catholic" but this is not quite the same as saying global, because you think that catholic means religion again, when it only means universal, in ... normal ... usage.

I would stay with the idea of global, as it is a much easier concept for you to deal with.

You are making difficulties for yourselves which do not exist in reality, this is not helping you.

Yeshi
March 31, 2004, 06:56 AM
You are making difficulties for yourselves which do not exist in reality, this is not helping you.

non-sequitur: i didn't notice anyone use the term "global" and "planet" in this thread before you used them? The original poster had difficulties imposed upon him by parents/merciless money-sucking organization, which pretty much exists in reality of his life. So it's not a "made up" difficulty.

i would suggest meditation as a means of increasing awareness, and restraint from substance abuse. But, then again, even HHDL strongly supports a variety of religious paths as there are many different beings that need help on the planet.

Btw, Religion - Re-Ligio is same root as Yoga, which means re-aligning or reunifying with a higher principle.

Light
March 31, 2004, 07:07 AM
non-sequitur: i didn't notice anyone use the term "global" and "planet" in this thread before you used them? The original poster had difficulties imposed upon him by parents/merciless money-sucking organization, which pretty much exists in reality of his life. So it's not a "made up" difficulty.

i would suggest meditation as a means of increasing awareness, and restraint from substance abuse. But, then again, even HHDL strongly supports a variety of religious paths as there are many different beings that need help on the planet.

Btw, Religion - Re-Ligio is same root as Yoga, which means re-aligning or reunifying with a higher principle.

Precisely, and this is also known as The Unifying Principle.

Has anyone thought about "non-Abrahamic" science?

Whether Scientific Or Spiritual, it is identically the same.

Or = golden (d'Orée = Adore / Adorée = Love / Loving.)

Al Kafirun
April 2, 2004, 08:32 PM
Inventing religion is cool. Whenever I get into arguments with 'folk' and try to resolve the issues through intelligent discourse, I get nowhere. When I claim holy revelation they shut the hell up and I can lead them around by the nose. Hubbard was a genius!

Light
April 3, 2004, 04:34 AM
Religion is complete nonsense and terribly damaging to human civilisation because it is not based on any long-term survival strategy. This is purely from a Military point of view. Indeed religion actually causes confusion where there should be none.

When you look at practical "philosophy" i.e. survival, given that Africa is well-known to be a complete mess would it not be a better thing if Africans took unto themselves the responsibility of running Africa properly?

Again, purely where practical long-term survival is concerned, and bearing in mind the above, if all Africans not living IN Africa would return to their beautiful continent to help their own people, would this make life easier for everyone else?

Again looking at Practical Planet management and long-term survival which of man's activities do YOU think are unnecessary in this ... respect.

You seem to be obsessed by religion, or is it that you are possessed by religion?

Either way you are evidently not Freethinking.

Maybe you can tell me, as I have long wondered about it.

What does your "Pope" do in terms of the above?

Also can you identify any other countries on this planet which are in a mess?

Who are these people who keep on saying "Another fine mess you've got "us" into?" and what does suffering suckatash mean?

Who are the "us" they are referring to and why do they think that this makes them any different from anyone else?

What do the expressions, "Stuffing Christian Turkies for Christmas" and "Don't you think that "we" should have what "you" have got?" fit in to a disciplined Military long-term survival strategy.

And what does superstition have to do with such a strategy?

What is that crucifix device you have, actually used for in this respect and who are you praying to?

What is "temptation" and why should it be necessary for there to be evil?

What is evil?

Is it that you are praying to Me so that you may develop common sense?

Would you consider that a Global, Enlightened and disciplined Military long-term survival strategy run by the Military on behalf of the people living on this planet would constitute, in any or all ways, a RE Legion or a Legion of RE?

RE is Enlightened, RE is Fair ... RE ... is ME

Who are you?

Light
April 3, 2004, 04:50 AM

lpetrich
April 8, 2004, 10:08 PM
Scientology has some features in common with an early Xtian sect called Gnosticism.

In Gnosticism, an evil god called Yaldabaoth (Ialdabaoth) has created the physical world -- the world in which our souls are trapped. Our goal is to get free from this evil world and enter the realm of the True God.

In Scientology, 75 million years ago, the galactic ruler Xenu decided to use Earth, then known as Teegeeack, as the dumping ground for excess population, shipping them in spaceships that looked much like DC8 airplanes. After all the excess people were shipped here, they were tied down near volcanoes and H-bombs exploded at them, killing them. But their souls, or thetans, lived on, and Xenu swept them up and showed them 3D movies, implanting lots of false ideas in them. The souls tended to clump together, with some of them becoming "body thetans". One's goal is to get rid of body thetans and those troublesome false ideas, and become a Clear.

Here is a nice summary of Scientology's "sacred history" (http://www.xenu.net/archive/leaflet/).

Light
April 9, 2004, 12:02 PM
Any rational non-criminal mind would say that the thing of prime importance in running a planet is to do so economically and for as long as possible.

Religion is basically a lot of utter rubbish.

Just view the entire planet as a space-vessel orbiting the Sun in the same way as you would view a space station orbiting the Earth.

This is the planet on which you live, your space-ship bio-environment and you have to maintain it to the best of your ability and for as long as possible in order to be able to live here and survive in space.

The entire lot of you are talking through the hole in your ass.

You see we run our planet much more efficiently and you Earth beings are just being hysterically ridiculous.

Still it DOES make for good television viewing.

You really believe in this Jesus nonsense do you?

Yeshi
April 14, 2004, 05:06 AM
I think this has developed in the direction that we should now devise a ritual in supplication of the SILVER SURFER.

He's the one to protect us from evil space rulers, if i remember Marvel comics of my youth well enuf

har har har har

Light
April 14, 2004, 07:27 AM
I see it all now. Dan Dare blows the evil Mekon to pieces and scuppers the entire league of little green men from Mars, exposing the entire take-over junta and its corrupt leadership!

Should be a best-seller.

The Eagle has landed.

:cool: :cool: :cool:

Hooboy !!
April 15, 2004, 02:39 PM
Indeed religion actually causes confusion where there should be none.
I disagree. Religion is an embracement of the irrational, which has been rejected by our rational mind. It is very much a survival strategy.

Light
April 15, 2004, 03:30 PM
I disagree. Religion is an embracement of the irrational, which has been rejected by our rational mind. It is very much a survival strategy.

I think that true religious belief is the embracement of the rational by the rational mind.

Whereas false religious belief is the embracement of the irrational by the irrational mind.

It is really absurd to play at being a saturday satan or a "Mad Hatter" when all you have to do is to remain sane and rational.

What is all of this religion of yours about anyway?

We don't have any, because We already know that it is Ptah Who Created the Universe.

You didn't Create it did you?

You see, simple. :)

All you have to do is to be nice to each other like We are. :)

Light
April 15, 2004, 03:32 PM
Inventing religion is cool. Whenever I get into arguments with 'folk' and try to resolve the issues through intelligent discourse, I get nowhere. When I claim holy revelation they shut the hell up and I can lead them around by the nose. Hubbard was a genius!

Is Hubbard Immortal too?

:)