Darwin Fish on the Car - Cost Benefit Analysis

[fried beef sandwich]

Here's my analysis:

I'd get a Darwin Fish on my car only if my car is shitty. Like my '1984 Toyota.

If I get a new car, Darwin Fish isn't going on, nuh-uh. Don't want the ragtop slashed, the doors dinged, tires punctured, panels keyed, or what not, just for a $3 fish with legs.

I'll just settle for the personalized license plate holder that says "Satan Loves Me"

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uh mods, i just realized I wasn't in the Lounge. Would you please move this thread?

[Face]

At the top of this site is often a link to Evolvefish.com. They have, as I recall, a Darwin fish that is on a static cling decal for the inside of the window. Non-permanent, maybe?

[Chicken Girl]

I think you can get a magnet for the fish so you can remove it when parking in "loving, tolerant" christian areas. :rolleyes:

[clark]

The beauty of the Darwin fish is that most Christians aren't smart enough to be offended by it. My wife had one on her car when we lived in Mississippi. A co-worked complimented her on it and asked her what church she attended :rolleyes:.

THOUGHTfully Yours,
Clark

[colin]

The beauty of the Darwin fish is that most Christians aren't smart enough to be offended by it. My wife had one on her car when we lived in Mississippi. A co-worked complimented her on it and asked her what church she attended .

How stupid can you get?! :rolleyes: :D

[Chicken Girl]

Sorry to play thread tennis, but I think this topic is actually better for SL.

[AspenMama]

Whack. Over to PA&SA.
--AspenMama

[jvamossy]

At the top of this site is often a link to Evolvefish.com. They have, as I recall, a Darwin fish that is on a static cling decal for the inside of the window. Non-permanent, maybe?

After having several bumper-mounted Darwin Fishes torn off by "tolerant loving Christians", my wife & I decided to go this route. It looks nice, is far more difficult to steal and may be easily removed and transferred to another car should the need arise.

[Shake]

At the top of this site is often a link to Evolvefish.com. They have, as I recall, a Darwin fish that is on a static cling decal for the inside of the window. Non-permanent, maybe?Here's another option from our friends at Evolve Fish (http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/product1047.html)

[Richard1366]

I still say we don't need to use the Darwin Fish symbol which is a parody of the xian symbol, what we need is our own internationally recognizable atheist symbol for cars, t-shirts, etc.

[EarlFlynn]

I still stand behind the idea of the light bulb! /MST3K "Mitchell" mode

[AspenMama]

I still say we don't need to use the Darwin Fish symbol which is a parody of the xian symbol, what we need is our own internationally recognizable atheist symbol for cars, t-shirts, etc.

Or is the xian symbol a parody of the pagan fertility symbol? Well not really a parody, more of a steal and bastardize thing.

[RawData]

Well, so far I have had no problems with the "Reality Bites" Darwin fish eating the standard fish. I have it on my Alfa. Of course it IS on a magnet. Main reason for that is to keep it from taking my paint off if removed. No scratches, broken windows, punctured tires yet.
RD :)

[butswana]

Or is the xian symbol a parody of the pagan fertility symbol? Well not really a parody, more of a steal and bastardize thing.


I think you might cause a bit more of a stink if you had a vagina on your bumper.

[chapka]

I still stand behind the idea of the light bulb! /MST3K "Mitchell" mode

Yes, but then people might think we were Apple Newton (http://www.oldschool.net/newton/) enthusiasts.

[mbigirl]

I have a Darwin fish bumper sticker and a "Come the Rapture, can I have your car?" sticker with the magnetic backing from Evolvefish. Very removable, yet they stick to the car just fine.

[Kevin Dorner]

The beauty of the Darwin fish is that most Christians aren't smart enough to be offended by it.

Some Christians have a Darwin fish as a statement that either they are not fundamentalists, or that science and religion are not incompatible. As to whether they know of the "implications" of the Darwin fish, I can't speak for all of them, but I am sure that some of them do.

However, I wouldn't sport one if I had one for my own (personal) reason that if it is known as an atheist's emblem, and it depicts some variant of evolution, it furthers the incorrect fundy excluded-middle argument that evolutionary biology and the sciences that support it are inherently atheistic.

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[southernhybrid]

I have a pro evolution bumper sticker that includes a Darwin fish on my Millenia and I've not had a bit of a problem. I put it there a few months ago when we had all the fuss about removing evolution from the curricula here.

I'd like to think that means that my neighbors in Georgia still respect the principle of free speech even if they don't like the message of my sticker. I also have a Humanist symbol on my car but I doubt anyone knows what it is except for another member of the AHA.

I also gave an evolution bumper sticker to a close liberal Xian friend and she was proud to put it on her car.

[ten to the eleventh]

Hmmm. I have the "science" fish on my car here in Pullman, Wa. We're moving to Houston, soon. Will my Subie be safe?

[dirkduck]

I just put on a Darwin fish plague a few days ago, and so far no problems; not sure how long it will last though, being in the center of the conservative Christian capitol of the country.

[chestercopperpot]

I just put on a Darwin fish plague a few days ago . . .

Aaaaagggghhhh! You've unleashed the Darwin plague! We're all doomed! ;)

But hell no I wouldn't put a Darwin fish on my car. I don't mean to generalize, but there are too many dumb Christians out there willing to Vandalize for Jesus. I wouldn't even put one on a POS car. There are enough reasons and ways that cars get vandalized, and this would just add another one.

But then again, I have an "atheistic" shirt I bought from EvolveFish, and I make a point to not wear it whenever I am ordering food from a fast-food place or other restaurant, where my shirt would be seen by the people ordering or delivering my food.

[Joyous]

I've had a Darwin fish on my car for about 2 years now with no problems, and I'm in way-Christian Dallas, TX.

I did recently discover that some of my Christian friends had no idea what it was all about.

[crazyfingers]

I've had a magnetic http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/media/E-Evolve.gif and a magnetic http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/media/E-Humanist.gif on my car for 4 years.

No one has ever messed with them. But I'm in Massachusetts were I think that would be less likely.

Once my old Boss's wife objected to it. She said that not all christians are stupid. My response was that not all christians believe in creationism. :p

Anyway, my old bass was a deist and didn't give a shit if his wife was offended. :D

That was about 3 years ago.

About three weeks ago some asshole was riding my bumper giving me the finger. Since I didn't do anything to piss him off, I can only guessed that he was pissed off at the evolve fish.

[Godless Wonder]

I've been thinking about getting a Darwin fish for my car... but the normal one doesn't do it for me, it seems to easy too interpret as "I'm a Christian theistic-evolutionist" (I think many Christians take it to mean that, though few atheists would take it to mean that.) I kind of like this one:
http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/media/E-RealityBites.gif

And I'd like to plaster this one absolutely everywhere, except I might be too chicken to put it on my car:
http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/media/S-GodPretend.jpg

I had the mischievous idea the other day of using lawn fertilizer to spell out a this message on the grass by the side of the road that runs in front of a big giant church.... The grass will grow in greener where the fertilizer is placed, so you can spell out a nice message and once done, there's not much way to erase it either, short of a scorched earth policy, tearing out the grass, mowing it real short. Didn't do it, of course, but damn that'd be awesome. :D

[colin]

About three weeks ago some asshole was riding my bumper giving me the finger. Since I didn't do anything to piss him off, I can only guessed that he was pissed off at the evolve fish.

Perhaps not. I live in Mass too and that type of behavior isn't unusual, particularly with all traffic nightmares we seem to have all the time. :rolleyes:

[mamabear]

I have never been brave enough to actually buy and display anything atheist or even non christian...I only just recently removed the crusifix from all the rooms in myhouse...but after reading this thread I have learned
1-not to put a hard to remove emblem on my vehical if I am visiting my brother in the south but around home in the east will probably be fine
2-my fundie inlaws will probably not have a clue what it really means
3-don't display it when someone has acess to your food...you know I think this one might be the most important one...
thanks and now off to evolvefishhh
(sorry I don't spell well that is my husbands job I can however pronounce most words well which of course my husband can not...so you see we really do make a great team)

[Plognark]

Perhaps not. I live in Mass too and that type of behavior isn't unusual, particularly with all traffic nightmares we seem to have all the time.

Well hell, I thought riding someone's bumper and flipping the bird was common etiquette in Mass. We don't call them 'Massholes' for nothing :D

[AmbiguousUbiquity]

I once had a Darwin fish on my old crappy 91 Taurus. It was one there for about 6 months before someone took it off and smashed it while I was in class. I found it lying next to my tire in the parking lot.

We have people here who put those Harvest Festival stickers on their cars, since we have that stupid thing come by here every summer. I tend to get angrier at them when they do something rude like cut me off or tailgate than I would at someone with no Harvest Sticker on their car.

Why? I think it's probably because I feel if you display the belief, at least act like you really do try to live by the rules you think everyone else should follow. I guess it doesn't pertain to driving time, since driving cars isn't mentioned in the bible. Anyway, I think people forget that when you display something in public, you become a representative of what you're displaying. For that reason, I try to be even MORE self aware when I'm in my car, because I display a Kerry sticker on my back windshield. People might expect me to be a crazy liberal driver (or whatever crazy things people might think about liberals), the least I can do is prove them wrong.

[The Naked Mage]

I've hauled around a Cthulhu fish magnet for over a year now. No problems, but that probably just means most Texans are tasteless and ignorant of the true literary classics.

[misterjingo]

I've hauled around a Cthulhu fish magnet for over a year now. No problems, but that probably just means most Texans are tasteless and ignorant of the true literary classics.

OR maybe they're Deep Ones.

[WWED]

In the late '90s I moved from Santa Cruz (CA) down to Orange County. In Santa Cruz, the Darwin Fish is the norm (and I proudly displayed mine). But now that I'm stuck in Orange County, there's no way I'd put one on my car here (I currently have a convertible).

I ordered a Darwin "procreation" fish before moving here, and I still have it -- sitting on a shelf, still in the packaging.

However, after putting it off for 3 years, I finally got the perfect license plate for living in OC: WWED, with a frame that reads "What Would Elvis Do?"

[MilitantModerate]

As per this thread (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=80670) you should submit to the IPU. No one is going to key your car with this bumper sticker from cafepress (http://www.cafeshops.com/ipushop) :

http://storetn.cafepress.com/1/7469401_F_store.jpg

[Bersec]

10 to the 11 : I see a lot of cars with the evolve fish here in Houston and I know some people that have them, never reported any problems. Contrary to popular believe, Houston is a very welcoming and open-minded place. Now, East Texas, the Piney Woods region, that's another story.

[dirkduck]

Aaaaagggghhhh! You've unleashed the Darwin plague! We're all doomed! ;)


Ah, bloody hell, it's been to long and now I can't go back and fix that. Well, a Drawin plague it will remain ;).

[McNamara]

I want to put one of those "Reality Bites" plaques on my car, and I doubt anyone will mess with it since it has military stickers on it. True Christians (tm) would probably be torn between defacing my car in the name of Jebus and 'supporting the troops' (by leaving me alone), but I think they'd give me the benefit of the doubt. Plus, I've seen people down here with Darwin fish on their cars. Mostly surfers, I think.

Wait - someone else in the military might rip it off my car! D'oh!

[fried beef sandwich]

Hmmm. I have the "science" fish on my car here in Pullman, Wa. We're moving to Houston, soon. Will my Subie be safe? If it is a manual transmission WRX or WRX STi, then NO! Of course not!

Leave your car with me, and it will be well taken care of :D

[xxthe_leewitxx]

I had the mischievous idea the other day of using lawn fertilizer to spell out a this message on the grass by the side of the road that runs in front of a big giant church.... The grass will grow in greener where the fertilizer is placed, so you can spell out a nice message and once done, there's not much way to erase it either, short of a scorched earth policy, tearing out the grass, mowing it real short. Didn't do it, of course, but damn that'd be awesome. :DOh, man... I'd love to do that in the lawn of the baptist church down the street from my home. They take up a lane of a public street for a good half-mile and park all through my neighborhood on Sunday mornings, because apparently they're not giving enough for the lord to bless them with a PARKING LOT. :mad:

As to the OP... I don't have any atheistic identifiers amongst all the stickers on my car... just some rather antisocial ones. But my Gir sticker is peeling up at the edges, so I'm about to go looking for a replacement. I'm seriously considering finding something funny and heretical ('found jesus, he was behind the couch the whole time' :D), but small enough that my fundy future in-laws will be less likely to notice it (ain't worth the STRESS, man). Other than that... my car looks like a piece of shit, although it runs like no one's business, so I don't care if people key it or other dumb shit. The kids in my neighborhood egged it once. I just laughed, since it has no paint job to ruin- just primer. I've had to restrain myself from rear-ending a few people around here for their stupid bumper stickers, so let's hope they'll return the favor.

[Secular Jeff]

I live in Colorado Springs, home of Focus on the Family and a couple of dozen other christian non-profit organizations.

I have had a Darwin Fish on my car (it finally fell off in the car wash) for years, I have had an Evolve Fish for at least three years and a Reality Bites fish for a year. No problems.

I work up at Cheyenne Mountain Air Force Station (home of NORAD) and have this bumper sticker: "Support Faith Based Missile Defense Systems". No problems.

I even have the following Colorado license plate. No problems. Don't be so afraid, people!


Jeff

http://www.infidels.org/images/infidellicenseplate.jpg

[jayh]

I've had a darwin fish or similar emblem on all my cars for many years (on one car I had 'religion stops a thinking mind', a co-worker's wife saw it and complimented me)

Currently on my camper I have a science fish eating a religion fish (right next to the Betty Page sticker)

[beco]

I had a Darwin and Evolve fish on my 88 Corola for years, nobody ever touched my car and I live in Virginia. So, I'm really surprised to hear people talking about having things ripped off their car.

[ten to the eleventh]

10 to the 11 : I see a lot of cars with the evolve fish here in Houston and I know some people that have them, never reported any problems. Contrary to popular believe, Houston is a very welcoming and open-minded place. Now, East Texas, the Piney Woods region, that's another story.

I've found out that Houston has one of the 10 largest gay neighborhoods in the country. Also, the population of Houston within the city limits is only 1/3 white. Among other facts: there are 37 Indian restaurants (whoopee!) and 1086 Mexican restaurants.

The all-wheel drive on my Subaru (that's an Impreza Outback Sport (manual, of course) for Fried Beef Sammich) will be entirely superfluous there, I'm sure.

I also have the procreate fish, but my partner, in her infinite wisdom, forbids putting it on the beloved subie. If I didn't have a new paint job on my Chevy truck, I'd put it on there. About to go on the Subie as well: "What schools need is a moment of SCIENCE" sticker and the Skeptical Inquirer "I doubt it!" sticker.

Sounds like I'll be safe in Houston.

[Godless Wonder]

Well, ten to the eleventh, I've now had my http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/media/E-RealityBites.gif on my car for 24 hours in Houston, so far so good. :)

It's odd... looking at it, now I see an interpretation I didn't think of at first... Reality Bites... so swallow Christianity ... to escape. A little too close to the idea of Communion as well. Hmm. Not sure I like that. I wonder what Christians think when they see such an emblem?

(Obviously?) my first interpretation was along the lines of "Reality" eating (destroying) Christianity alive, in the manner of a piranha. The big fish does have some teeth on it.

[nixon]

Godless Wonder: If the church figured out your fertilizer trick, all they'd have to do is pour more fertilizer around the relevant area to erase your message. Not to say they would figure it out though :)

[WNCAtheists]

GW, and interested parties,
The fertilizer idea can also be accomplished with petroleum based products.
Though the end-result is dead grass where it was poured instead of greener grass.
Some buddies (that I helped by providning the pertinent info)did that once back in High School. Spelled "ASSHOLE" in a guys yard, only problem was they didn't have enough oil to do it well. wound-up looking more like "PSSI ICI F". You could see it for several months, but it all grew back the next year.

I've had the traditional Darwin Fish for over a year on my 2002 Dakota. I also have a Bumper Sticker that reads "WE STILL THINK!" - which makes fun of the "WE STILL PRAY!" phenomenon that got started in nearby Asheville in response to the "No prayer at ballgames" decision a few years back. I also have an American Flag sticker that reads "Think, It's Patriotic" a small Sticker that reads "Exercise your right to think for yourself". I had one that read "Dare to think for yourself: It's not illegal Yet!", but it was poor quality, and fell apart after only a few months.
I've never had any trouble over any of these.

Darrell

[mrmoderate]

What a bunch of wussies. Try driving around with this;

http://www.roboteq.info/2195642155.jpg

Actually, I have only had thumbs up from all sorts of other drivers and a lot of people who I find reading them in parking lots are always positive about the message.

[Malachi151]

How stupid can you get?! :rolleyes: :D

A few weeks ago I saw a Darwin fish on a car next to a "God Bless America" bumper sticker..... :confused:

[Malachi151]

What a bunch of wussies. Try driving around with this;

http://www.roboteq.info/2195642155.jpg

Actually, I have only had thumbs up from all sorts of other drivers and a lot of people who I find reading them in parking lots are always positive about the message.

That's just liebral crap that makes no point other than to say "all stupid ideas are equal." Effectively it puts religion and delusion (UFO crap) on the same plane as science and reason. Bleh, I'll pass, and I'm sure he probably get's compleimented for being so "open minded" :barf:

[Malachi151]

I don't use a Darwin fish for 2 reasons:

1) My job, I don't feel like causing issues as its a close knit place, of all Christians. I prefer a paycheck over the fish.

2) I think the Darwin fish is lame, and I have no desire to copy the Chrisitians anyway. Instead I use the American Atheists symbol sticker and a MENSA sticker, almost no one knows what they are anyway, so I don't get bothered, and I figure that if someone does recognize them then they are probably a member and maybe they will say hi.

[Angrillori]

Heh, I've applied the Darwin Fish to my Jeep and my car, and soon the Dune Buggy's getting one too--for summer time! The Jeep's had it a year, the car just got it. I wonder if I can get an INFIDEL collector plate for the Buggy. Does WI personalize those?

Anyways, no trouble, from roving "Vandals for Jebus" or from the more fundified members of the workplace. Heck, one of the guys in back even asked me to buy one for him, which he now has proudly displayed on his ride.

Love Milwaukee!!

Relatedly, I saw a car with a "Dog is my co-pilot" sticker at the parking center for the Milwaukee Rep last night. Just awesome. I wish I had some paper on me to leave a little note of support. I always get a little warm fuzzy when I see a Darwin Fish or humanist or atheist car decoration. Brightens my day, at least a little.

[sullster]

The first time I saw a Darwin Fish ,I was very amused and considered getting one. Then, I remembered that I have always hated bumper stickers,no matter if I agree with them or not. It is just obnxious to have to read some lame social or political viewpoint on the rear bumper of some car stopped at a light in front of you.

If the jeebus crowd get their jollies from putting a silly fish on their car, I feel that the best course of action is to not mock it with an anti-fish fish.

We all desire a more secular society, with no references to religious symbolism in public. Thus, I reject any statements or symbols on my car. My car's purpose is haul my butt around, not be platform for what I think.

[mrmoderate]

That's just liebral crap that makes no point other than to say "all stupid ideas are equal." Effectively it puts religion and delusion (UFO crap) on the same plane as science and reason. Bleh, I'll pass, and I'm sure he probably get's compleimented for being so "open minded" :barf:

Damn, ya just can't win with some people. In other words, if it isn't your way, then it isn't right? Isn't that the argument against most theists?

That is my truck and I am stating that "all stupid ideas are equal". I have not had anyone say I am open minded, but I would like to believe that I am. Just because I believe what is written in the bible should not brand me as closed minded. I spent many years making the decision that there is something spiritually real about the bible passages.

My reason for doing that to my truck came from seeing the battle of the fish's that is going on in my theologically diverse corner of the universe here in the Baltimore/DC corridor. The fish symbol is quite ancient and predates Christianity by millenia so for Christians to be insulted by evolutionists using the fish symbol is just stupid. Likewise, for Darwinists to have a Darwin fish eating a Christian fish is stupid. I had a few more dollars than sense one day and ordered all of the different fish I could find. After putting them on my truck I realized that no one understood why so I had the lettering put on. The lettering by the way is reflective at night so it also serves a practical safety purpose.

An interesting thing is happening with the fish though. The fish that are Christian based are holding up very well while the ones for prozac, Darwin and the like are all fading away :D

[Ennazus]

I have a "One Nation Indivisible" (from EvolveFish) on my car. I haven't received any feedback one way or another, but I like my sticker.

[southernhybrid]

This is one atheist who loves mrmoderate's truck. It shows both tolerance and a sense of humor. Those are two traits that I admire.

I want to say again that I think it's usually safe to put a fish or atheist sticker on your car in the South. My experience living in the South for 33 years is that the vast *majority* of natives here are far too polite and respectful to damage your personal property even if they don't like the message. They need to see the message and realize that we are everywhere.


It's very disturbing that some atheists become intolerant when theists express themselves on their personal property. As long as they keep their message out of governmental spaces, I have no problem with whatever they want to put on their vehicles or homes. ( assuming that the message doesn't make a threat or incite violence )Freedom of speech is for all of us, even those that we don't like.

If atheists and/or theists use messages that are angry, and intolerant it just gives a negative image of that ideology.

[mrmoderate]

My girlfriend was afraid that when I put all of those fish on my truck that they would be stolen or damaged. I have had conversations with people I most likely would never have otherwise had the oportunity to speak with otherwise. Even the Rasta fish with the smoking bowl has not had any issues. I can watch people in the car behind me in my rear view mirror reading my fish and most times they smile or openly laugh. I love that reaction.

Several times I have found groups of youth in a parking lot looking over my truck. I have never had one negative reaction from any of these young men and women of whom some have been fairly bizarre to my ex-hippy 50 years.

My only fear was of extreme funnymentalists, whom I consider to be the most dangerous of all who have strong opinions for or against theology.

Overall, my tailgate has only promoted good feelings from any who have espressed themselves.

[dirkduck]

I even have the following Colorado license plate. No problems. Don't be so afraid, people!


Jeff

http://www.infidels.org/images/infidellicenseplate.jpg

I've been on the lookout for your car here in the city, still havn't seen it yet; although a friend of mine was at the Democratic Assembly a week ago and said she caught of glimse of an 'INFIDEL' liscence plate...you I presume?

[Corona688]

Damn, ya just can't win with some people. In other words, if it isn't your way, then it isn't right? Isn't that the argument against most theists? Actually, no. The argument against most theists is "if it's irrational non-reasoning that's not supported by any evidence at all, it's not right." You really love equivocating, don't you?

[Secular Jeff]

I've been on the lookout for your car here in the city, still havn't seen it yet; although a friend of mine was at the Democratic Assembly a week ago and said she caught of glimse of an 'INFIDEL' liscence plate...you I presume?

Yes, that was mine. Look for a green Ford Escort.

I attended the El Paso County Democratic Assembly and Convention for my first time. It was quite interesting. Democrats are about one third of the voting population in this county in which Colorado Springs is located. You can take a guess at what party makes up the majority of the difference.

[mrmoderate]

Actually, no. The argument against most theists is "if it's irrational non-reasoning that's not supported by any evidence at all, it's not right." You really love equivocating, don't you?

Have I somehow offended you and Malachi or are you guys just naturally angry?

[Malachi151]

Damn, ya just can't win with some people. In other words, if it isn't your way, then it isn't right? Isn't that the argument against most theists?

That is my truck and I am stating that "all stupid ideas are equal". I have not had anyone say I am open minded, but I would like to believe that I am. Just because I believe what is written in the bible should not brand me as closed minded. I spent many years making the decision that there is something spiritually real about the bible passages.

My reason for doing that to my truck came from seeing the battle of the fish's that is going on in my theologically diverse corner of the universe here in the Baltimore/DC corridor. The fish symbol is quite ancient and predates Christianity by millenia so for Christians to be insulted by evolutionists using the fish symbol is just stupid. Likewise, for Darwinists to have a Darwin fish eating a Christian fish is stupid. I had a few more dollars than sense one day and ordered all of the different fish I could find. After putting them on my truck I realized that no one understood why so I had the lettering put on. The lettering by the way is reflective at night so it also serves a practical safety purpose.

An interesting thing is happening with the fish though. The fish that are Christian based are holding up very well while the ones for prozac, Darwin and the like are all fading away :D

Well, not to demean you or anything, but the fact is that all ideas are not equal. There is only one truth. The earth is round, its not flat, triangle, square, spiral, and other such things. It matters not how many different people have how many different views about how manny different things, there is only one truth.

The earth is round, period. All ideas don't have equal weight or equal merit, many ideas are complete nonsense. The idea that the Bible represents anything other than some old mythology is: complete nonsense.

Understanding reality is a matter of science and understanding the material nature of the universe.

The idea that "all stupid ideas are equal" is nothing more than postmodernist liberal nonsense which serves as a defense of religion and as a means to disolusion the working class in order to support capitalism, it is essentially, "the ultimate buy-in to the great American cultural lie."

Effectively: the biggest problem that confronts America today.

[NearNihil Experience]

I still say we don't need to use the Darwin Fish symbol which is a parody of the xian symbol, what we need is our own internationally recognizable atheist symbol for cars, t-shirts, etc.



I say, Mushroom Cloud.

You know, give it that "bad boy" attitude.

That atom and electron symbol the American Atheist(M. M. O'Hare's crew) is just tacky.

[Godless Wonder]

[ . . . ]The fish symbol is quite ancient and predates Christianity by millenia so for Christians to be insulted by evolutionists using the fish symbol is just stupid.
Agree.
Likewise, for Darwinists to have a Darwin fish eating a Christian fish is stupid.
Disagree. (In fact, I have such a theophagic piscine emblem on my car.)

I grant that people have the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. (They will anyway, there's no taking this right away, even if you were to try.) But when one of my beliefs is that certain other beliefs are, on balance, harmful (e.g. racism, nazism, religion) then it is my right to express that opinion, and, that opinion is not "stupid," nor is expressing that opinion. And I've gotten into one rather reasonable discussion with someone because of this emblem, which is a positive thing. So it isn't "stupid." Now, considering that I live in Texas... you might call me stupid for putting the emblem on my car in that particular state, and I would have a tough time arguing, I suppose. :D

Basically, it is my opinion that on balance, religion does more harm than good, and I think that the world would be a better place without it. For you to call my emblem expressing this sentiment "stupid" is to demonstrate in yourself the very intolerance which your school of fish is supposedly opposed to.

I myself am quite intolerant of stupid religions. But I don't claim to be tolerant of them.

[mrmoderate]

Being totally tolerant of all religions and being totally intolerant of all religions equates to the same equal thought, just from different points of view.

The point of my tailgate is not that I condone anything but that I respect the ideas of all without being judgemental of them. Of course I am not perfect in this, but it would certainly be a lot nicer world if we all were more tolerant of what each other believes.

What gets in the way of tolerance is people who insist that others believe how they do. This is absolutely a factor of most organized religions, but guess what infidels? It is also true of most posters on this forum.

Nobody's right,
If everybody's wrong.

[Godless Wonder]

[ . . . ] What gets in the way of tolerance is people who insist that others believe how they do. [ . . . ]
No, I disagree. But maybe only with the way you have phrased it. Many people don't insist that others believe how they do, yet they are still intolerant. I think a good test of how tolerant of another belief you are is to ask the question: "would I marry a person who believes X?" If you would not, then you are intolerant of people who believe X.

Many people say they are tolerant, but when you get right down to it and ask would they marry a person with belief X, which they claim to be "tolerant of," the answer is "no." In which case they are intolerant. I am intolerant of religion, on account of it being stupid.

[SEF]

That test falls down a bit if one wouldn't marry a human anyway!

I agree that tolerance in terms of not going round trying to convert/attack people who don't share your beliefs is very different from tolerance in terms of having to put up with them in your face. I'm extremely tolerant of the harmlessly delusional religious nutters who keep it to themselves and extremely intolerant of the ones who go round doing evil as a result of their delusions (which includes not just bombing and invading countries to kill people but pestering people at home and trying to prevent children from having a decent education).

[Jabu Khan]

I've bought 2 Darwin fish the first one lasted a few months the second a couple days. Lost them both at work I'm pretty sure (two diff jobs).

[Malachi151]

Being totally tolerant of all religions and being totally intolerant of all religions equates to the same equal thought, just from different points of view.

The point of my tailgate is not that I condone anything but that I respect the ideas of all without being judgemental of them. Of course I am not perfect in this, but it would certainly be a lot nicer world if we all were more tolerant of what each other believes.

What gets in the way of tolerance is people who insist that others believe how they do. This is absolutely a factor of most organized religions, but guess what infidels? It is also true of most posters on this forum.

Nobody's right,
If everybody's wrong.

Well, that's where we disagree. I don't condone any religions and I don't respect any religious ideas at all. I have zero tolerace for religious beliefs and view religion as the number one greatest problem in the world. I promote the complete abolition of all religion and all religious belief.

Now, that doesn't mean that I'm inconsiderate, I am considerate of people and of people's feelings. I have no respect for religious institutions or beliefs though and certianly don't think that its "okay" for any religions to exist. The existance of any and all religions is a tragedy upon the human race.

Bullshit and lies is not equal to facts and rationality, I will not pretend that the bullshit and lies of religion are anything more than... dispicable bullshit and lies which have a profoundly negative impact on society.

BTW, your assertion that "everybody's wrong" is juts one more line of bullshit and lies that people use to justify complete irrationality. "Everybody is wrong, therefore nothing matters, I can belief whatever I want, blah, blah, blah..." I find it disgusting, and intellectualy dishonest as well as morally corrupt.

[Wernermuende]

Very well said.

[mrmoderate]

BTW, your assertion that "everybody's wrong" is juts one more line of bullshit and lies that people use to justify complete irrationality. "Everybody is wrong, therefore nothing matters, I can belief whatever I want, blah, blah, blah..." I find it disgusting, and intellectualy dishonest as well as morally corrupt.

I put that in italics because it is a quote from a song. For What it's Worth.....that's the name of the song, not my statement. Just like "everybody's wrong" was a quote and not my statement. But you just keep on being a hateful angry person. I'm sure that atitude will take you far.

[King Rat]

But you just keep on being a hateful angry person. I'm sure that atitude will take you far.

I have got to make a t-shirt that says:

"I'm not angry, I just disagree with you."

Theists are such shrinking violets sometimes.

p.s., The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference. Theists should worry when we atheists stop replying and you are met with expressionless faces and cold hard stares.

[ten to the eleventh]

....

The idea that "all stupid ideas are equal" is nothing more than postmodernist liberal nonsense which serves as a defense of religion and as a means to disolusion the working class in order to support capitalism, it is essentially, "the ultimate buy-in to the great American cultural lie."


Truly, I am bewildered by this paragraph. It starts out with a slam against liberals and, later, in the same sentence, restates a basic Marxist theory.

This is so strange...

[mrmoderate]

I have got to make a t-shirt that says:

"I'm not angry, I just disagree with you."

Theists are such shrinking violets sometimes.

p.s., The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference. Theists should worry when we atheists stop replying and you are met with expressionless faces and cold hard stares.

C'mon, it's ok to admit when you're angry. Let it all out and you'll feel better. We shrinking violets are concerned for your health you know. Would you like a nice hot cup of cocoa? :boohoo:

Who, by the way, said anything about hate being the opposite of love? I said you were being hateful, and you are. Maybe "I find it disgusting, and intellectualy dishonest as well as morally corrupt." isn't hateful to you but it is certainly a hateful thing to say to someone like me. Especially since what you were so disgusted with and found to be intellectually dishonest and morally corrupt was a line from a song.....DOH!

Some of you guys argue like my ex-wife does. You take what you "think" has been stated and run it into the ground even when it has been made clear that your perception was completely wrong.

[Malachi151]

Truly, I am bewildered by this paragraph. It starts out with a slam against liberals and, later, in the same sentence, restates a basic Marxist theory.

This is so strange...

LOL, well you obviously don't know anything about Marxism. Marxism is anti-liberal. The whole ENTIRE point of Marxism is anti-libralism. A short reading of any Marxist work would reveal this.

[King Rat]

C'mon, it's ok to admit when you're angry. Let it all out and you'll feel better. We shrinking violets are concerned for your health you know. Would you like a nice hot cup of cocoa?

I do when I am, and I'm not, your concern is misplaced.

Who, by the way, said anything about hate being the opposite of love? I said you were being hateful, and you are.

Are you sure you are talking to the right person? I think someone other than me needs some cocoa.

Maybe "I find it disgusting, and intellectualy dishonest as well as morally corrupt." isn't hateful to you but it is certainly a hateful thing to say to someone like me. Especially since what you were so disgusted with and found to be intellectually dishonest and morally corrupt was a line from a song.....DOH!

I guess since you didn't write it, it shouldn't bother you much.

Some of you guys argue like my ex-wife does. You take what you "think" has been stated and run it into the ground even when it has been made clear that your perception was completely wrong.

No, we'll run what you stated into the ground too. Y'know, it is about time you noticed.

[mrmoderate]

Hey! I think we're bonding! :D

[mamabear]

WOW all this from a little itty bitty piece of plastic

[King Rat]

AFAIAC, we are.

[TNorthover]

FWIW, chalk another atheist up in favour of mrmoderate's truck, gave me a smile.

[Futurebobbers]

Well, I love MrModerate's truck too. I'd try it, but you'd only get three or four fish stickers on a 1980s Mini before you start to seriously obstruct vision out of the car! :)

[Golgo_13]

Like the truck.

[Nil Desperandum]

I live in Colorado Springs, home of Focus on the Family and a couple of dozen other christian non-profit organizations.

I have had a Darwin Fish on my car (it finally fell off in the car wash) for years, I have had an Evolve Fish for at least three years and a Reality Bites fish for a year. No problems.

I work up at Cheyenne Mountain Air Force Station (home of NORAD) and have this bumper sticker: "Support Faith Based Missile Defense Systems". No problems.

I even have the following Colorado license plate. No problems. Don't be so afraid, people!


Jeff

http://www.infidels.org/images/infidellicenseplate.jpg
ROCK ON!!!!!!!!

I hope to see you driving around.
I work out @ Schriever (for a little while longer).
What do you do out @ NORAD??

Chris

[Secular Jeff]

I'm a GS-13 working for a little office called Test Control that belongs to the 721 Mission Support Group, that belongs to the 21st Space Wing, that belongs to Air Force Space Command.

Our Mission Statement is "Safeguard the integrity of the Integrated Tactical Warning and Attack Assessment System by establishing controlled test environments." What that means is when the software geeks and the hardware and communications weenies have something new to test (which is all the time) my people go into Cheyenne Mountain and establish a "safe" configuration to inject test-tagged WWIII simulation media and ensure that the test-tagged data only goes where it is supposed to go and doesn't go where it is not supposed to go.

It's fun.

Jeff

[RawData]

Our Mission Statement is "Safeguard the integrity of the Integrated Tactical Warning and Attack Assessment System by establishing controlled test environments."
That is certainly a mouthfull. Even an acronym of it would be hard to get out. SIITWAASECTE Ick.
Have fun!
RawData