Mormonism: The Mormon Church is the true, biblical church of Jesus Christ.

[Jason Gastrich]

I take the negative position. This is open to a Mormon. One Mormon I have in mind is a guy named George. I'm going to post this link into a board where he frequents. We have been discussing a debate.

These are the things we need to discuss:

1) The topic of the debate.
2) The participants of the debate, and what positions they will argue.
3) The scope of the debate.
4) The length of the debate, in number of rounds.
5) Whether statements will be made concurrently or in turns, and if the latter, who goes first.
6) The maximum length of each statement.
7) The maximum duration between statements.
8) The extent to which quotes and references from outside sources will be allowed.
9) The starting date of the debate.
10) Any additional rules or a debate format that debate participants must observe.

JG

[Jason Gastrich]

George is currently running scared, so if there are any other Mormons that wish to take my challenge, then feel free to post here.

JG

[Common_Cents]

In mudslinging you lose alot of ground and your hands get dirty.

[Jason Gastrich]

Thanks for your input, Ravi. Perhaps you should go and tell this to George and his band of atheists that are mistreating me and already proclaiming victory. Link: http://p222.ezboard.com/freligiousdebate60574frm2.showMessage?topicID=1544.topic

JG

[Common_Cents]

Thanks for your input, Ravi. Perhaps you should go and tell this to George and his band of atheists that are mistreating me and already proclaiming victory. Link: http://p222.ezboard.com/freligiousdebate60574frm2.showMessage?topicID=1544.topic

JG



You are standing up for your faith you can't expect a free ride.....btw i thought George was a Mormon?

[Athnostica]

A gay mormon was interviewed just last week at www.infidelguy.com. Very interesting interview :eek: It is still in the show archives.

[Jason Gastrich]

A gay mormon was interviewed just last week at www.infidelguy.com. Very interesting interview :eek: It is still in the show archives.

That's right. I didn't hear it. Was it good?

Does anyone see the humor in George and his band of atheists proclaiming victory as George refuses to debate me on IIDB? It's unbelievable. Who do they think they're fooling? It looks like a Monty Python sketch over there.

I'm happy to discuss this debate with any other takers.

JG

[chapka]

I take the negative position. This is open to a Mormon. One Mormon I have in mind is a guy named George. I'm going to post this link into a board where he frequents. We have been discussing a debate.

Um...

If your profile tell true, you are a (presumably non-Mormon) YEC fundamentalist Christian. Why do you think a debate between two Christians on which flavor of Christianity is better is relevant to the IIDB's readership?

In fact, since the most compelling arguments against both young-earth creationism and the historicity of the Book of Mormon are the same (namely, the masses of irrefutable archaeological and paleontological evidence), any such purely theological debate would probably look to most people about as useful as a debate between two schizophrenics about whose voices are louder. Why not let someone debate the Mormons whose own religion doesn't tie one hand behind their back?

In addition, the topic you've proposed is ludicrously broad. Why not try taking a positive position, say, one specific criticism of Mormonism? That's be more likely to result in a debate that's at least manageable.

[Jack the Bodiless]

Does anyone see the humor in George and his band of atheists proclaiming victory as George refuses to debate me on IIDB? It's unbelievable. Who do they think they're fooling? It looks like a Monty Python sketch over there.
Well, this may be a little off-topic, but...

I also see some humor in a self-proclaimed "Christian, YEC, Fundy" who comes to IIDB only for formal debates and refuses to participate in the Existence of God, Evolution/Creation, or Biblical Criticism forums.

[wiploc]

A Mormon-Christian vs non-Mormon-Christian debate could be illuminating. I'd like to see it done here.

Beyond that, there is no call for rudeness and derision. Let's show some class, people.

crc

[Jason Gastrich]

I second wiploc's notion and I renew my offer to debate a Mormon. If anyone knows a Mormon, please forward this offer to them.

Sincerely,
Jason

[Common_Cents]

I second wiploc's notion and I renew my offer to debate a Mormon. If anyone knows a Mormon, please forward this offer to them.

Sincerely,
Jason



I am not a mormon but i am wondering what if any denomination do you think to be the "purest" form of christianity?

[whichphilosophy]

I am not a mormon but i am wondering what if any denomination do you think to be the "purest" form of christianity?

If the Catholic believes they are the true Christian faith, or the Mormon or protostant believes they are, that's up to them in a modern democracy.

Most Christians I have met in the past, however do respect the other faiths and believe they are just approaching their faith in a different way.

Perhaps only the [edited - NS] believe theirs is the only correct belief.

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

Hi folks,

Let's try to keep the discussion relevant to setting up the debate. Also, let's try to avoid baiting people as well.

Thanks,

- NS, FD mod

[Ghost]

If the Catholic believes they are the true Christian faith, or the Mormon or protostant believes they are, that's up to them in a modern democracy.

Most Christians I have met in the past, however do respect the other faiths and believe they are just approaching their faith in a different way.

Perhaps only the [edited - NS] believe theirs is the only correct belief.

I know many Christians who consider LDS to be a cult, and not a legitimate branch of Christianity. I'd love to see a fair debate of that topic.

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

Odin,

I moved your post to here in GRD:

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=1783653#post1783653

Just a reminder to everyone, the FDP forum is not intended for debating or discussing a particular topic, but setting up the formal debate of a particular topic.

Thanks,

Jason

[Jason Gastrich]

Hi all,

Right now, I'm going to some Mormon forums and mail lists and requesting a formal debate regarding their beliefs and religious literature and how they contradict the Bible. If a Mormon reading this message is interested in a debate, please post and we can set something up.

Sincerely,
Jason

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

Hi all,

Right now, I'm going to some Mormon forums and mail lists and requesting a formal debate regarding their beliefs and religious literature and how they contradict the Bible. If a Mormon reading this message is interested in a debate, please post and we can set something up.

Good luck finding a sparring partner, but just so you know, Mormons posting in the IIDB are extremely rare. In my 3 years at the IIDB, I've only seen one Mormon that I'm aware of and he didn't stick around that long.

Jason

[Jack the Bodiless]

Do Mormons have a doctrine similar to the Islamic one, that the Bible has become "corrupted" and their new book "fixes the problem"?

If so, then I don't see how such a debate could proceed on the stated premise. What is the "true, Biblical" church, if the Bible is corrupt?

[trendkill]

Do Mormons have a doctrine similar to the Islamic one, that the Bible has become "corrupted" and their new book "fixes the problem"?Sort of, but unlike in Islam, the Bible is still considered holy scripture. Although the word "Biblical" doesn't quite carry the punch in Mormonism that it seems to in Protestant religions, Mormons do believe that theirs is the religion taught in the Bible.

[moester]

No, Joseph Smith "fixed" the bible. I used to be mormon and still have all my nifty mormon paraphernalia. Unfortunately, I wasn't old enough to get any jesus jammies........

In the back of my lds bible, there is a section labeled "Joseph Smith Translation." For example...

Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD's servant?
Isaiah 42:19

Pretty confusing, right? Well, here is our wonderful prophet and revelator at work....

For I will send my servant unto you who are blind; yea a messenger to open the eyes of the blind, and unstop the ears of the deaf;

I think he just had fun making things up and plagiarizing. And marrying other men's wives. And conning people. And "translating" Egyptian funerary papyrus into the histories of Abraham and Joseph. And ripping off Masonic rites. Ad nauseum.

I don't think there will be any takers on the debate. What I have noticed is, as soon as a mormon starts doing any sort of research, the truth becomes glaringly obvious. The mormon south park episode is spot on. Joseph Smith did translate the book of mormon out of a hat. Too much creepy shit.

I'm just kind of mad I wasted more than half of my life (then again, I'm only 23 :p only 16 years I guess) on this nonsense. It's just so ludicrous. Good luck finding a taker.

moe

[Kalkin]

I'm curious to see this debate. I hope you find someone.

[KnightWhoSaysNi]

I'm a teenage Mormon, and I don't presume to have all the answers but I will answer or debate about anything if anyone is willing.

Wow, this is quite the zombie thread!

Enigmaticcrux, I'm afraid that Gastrich is no longer permitted to participate in the formal debates here. However, I'll split off your post to a new thread and close this one. I'm certain that there are many here who would be happy to take up your challenge. In the meantime, since you're new here, I'd recommend reading through the FD Rules & Procedures (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=85870).

- KWSN, FD Moderator